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Nairobi water crisis explained
tony stark
#41 Posted : Friday, November 17, 2017 9:27:22 AM
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Joined: 7/8/2008
Posts: 947
Kaigangio wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Good news and bad news.

Today the Govt signed a contract for the construction of Thwake dam in Kitui/Makueni counties.

https://www.capitalfm.co...ani-benefit-thwake-dam/

22KM long, 10 times bigger than Ndaka-ini, the biggest in East Africa and installed capacity of 823 Million cubic meters.

The bad news is that apart from capital FM, no other media house in Kenya thinks this is news worth covering. A google search only returns the above link.

I don't like Jubilee but if Uhuru can push this, his legacy is secured. Its the kind of project one hopes there is enough kick-back to take care of all the cartels. To make sure they are well motivated not to sabotage.



@FRM2011, The first feasibility study for Thwake Multipurpose dam was done in 1953 under colonial government. The second one was done in mid 1980s.

After bringing in a part financier, the civil works for Phase 1 were meant to start in June 2014 and complete in 2019 but somehow got delayed,

For your information, when the Thwake dam construction is completed to the last Phase it will have a total storage capacity equal 2.4 billion cubic metres of water for consumption, irrigation and 20MW HEP power generation.

Thanks for the education @Kaigangio.
I recently visited my mothers shagz in Makindu and saw that Makindu river dried a long time ago and I remember swimming in the said river. What is viability of these dams if our rivers are drying up as time goes on?
Kaigangio
#42 Posted : Friday, November 17, 2017 10:46:37 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/27/2007
Posts: 2,768
tony stark wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Good news and bad news.

Today the Govt signed a contract for the construction of Thwake dam in Kitui/Makueni counties.

https://www.capitalfm.co...ani-benefit-thwake-dam/

22KM long, 10 times bigger than Ndaka-ini, the biggest in East Africa and installed capacity of 823 Million cubic meters.

The bad news is that apart from capital FM, no other media house in Kenya thinks this is news worth covering. A google search only returns the above link.

I don't like Jubilee but if Uhuru can push this, his legacy is secured. Its the kind of project one hopes there is enough kick-back to take care of all the cartels. To make sure they are well motivated not to sabotage.



@FRM2011, The first feasibility study for Thwake Multipurpose dam was done in 1953 under colonial government. The second one was done in mid 1980s.

After bringing in a part financier, the civil works for Phase 1 were meant to start in June 2014 and complete in 2019 but somehow got delayed,

For your information, when the Thwake dam construction is completed to the last Phase it will have a total storage capacity equal 2.4 billion cubic metres of water for consumption, irrigation and 20MW HEP power generation.

Thanks for the education @Kaigangio.
I recently visited my mothers shagz in Makindu and saw that Makindu river dried a long time ago and I remember swimming in the said river. What is viability of these dams if our rivers are drying up as time goes on?


@tony..I have been asking myself about the same question, whether the current river flows and generally available water will be enough to sustain the existence of this dam. You see the feasibility studies were carried out long before the effects of global warming and wanton destruction of catchments started showing up in the 90s.
...besides, the presence of a safe alone does not signify that there is money inside...
Musimo
#43 Posted : Wednesday, November 22, 2017 1:01:30 PM
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Joined: 9/3/2015
Posts: 118
Location: Nairobi
There are two frames of mind we are facing in our country today: Politics and development and politics of development. On one hand, a tunnel is to be constructed linking some rivers and supposed to collect a given amount of water for storage at ndakaini. From there, a new water treatment works is to be built, ensuring that the supply to nairobi will rise to cater for demand. A politician comes up saying they drew those plans while in government thus should get credit for the same, next day he says the plans would cause desertification downstream as all water would be diverted away from the river. Which politics is this, as per the above headings?
The northern water collection project is ongoing ( https://www.capitalfm.co...-140mn-litres-of-water/ ). this would solve part of the problems of Nairobi and water, but this alone will not help. I feel the blunder back then was allowing for low-density population areas in nairobi to be converted into high density population areas (Kilimani, Lavington, Lileleshwa, etc) instead of venturing out of nairobi by ensuring there are adequate and on-time transport solutions to cater for the guys living outside nairobi (Guys from thika, ruiur, machakos, Limuru/naivasha, etc), plus water and electricity.
Musimo
#44 Posted : Wednesday, November 22, 2017 1:04:17 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 9/3/2015
Posts: 118
Location: Nairobi
Kaigangio wrote:
tony stark wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Good news and bad news.

Today the Govt signed a contract for the construction of Thwake dam in Kitui/Makueni counties.

https://www.capitalfm.co...ani-benefit-thwake-dam/

22KM long, 10 times bigger than Ndaka-ini, the biggest in East Africa and installed capacity of 823 Million cubic meters.

The bad news is that apart from capital FM, no other media house in Kenya thinks this is news worth covering. A google search only returns the above link.

I don't like Jubilee but if Uhuru can push this, his legacy is secured. Its the kind of project one hopes there is enough kick-back to take care of all the cartels. To make sure they are well motivated not to sabotage.



@FRM2011, The first feasibility study for Thwake Multipurpose dam was done in 1953 under colonial government. The second one was done in mid 1980s.

After bringing in a part financier, the civil works for Phase 1 were meant to start in June 2014 and complete in 2019 but somehow got delayed,

For your information, when the Thwake dam construction is completed to the last Phase it will have a total storage capacity equal 2.4 billion cubic metres of water for consumption, irrigation and 20MW HEP power generation.

Thanks for the education @Kaigangio.
I recently visited my mothers shagz in Makindu and saw that Makindu river dried a long time ago and I remember swimming in the said river. What is viability of these dams if our rivers are drying up as time goes on?


@tony..I have been asking myself about the same question, whether the current river flows and generally available water will be enough to sustain the existence of this dam. You see the feasibility studies were carried out long before the effects of global warming and wanton destruction of catchments started showing up in the 90s.


before the dam was designated necessary pre-2014, some consultants sat down and re-looked at the numbers, to ensure that what they have still tallies with what they had before. If they are confident of the numbers, then the go-ahead is given by the ministry and things move along construction-wise.
hardwood
#45 Posted : Wednesday, November 22, 2017 1:10:20 PM
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Joined: 7/28/2015
Posts: 9,562
Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
Does the polluted Nairobi river flow into this dam?
Gathige
#46 Posted : Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:23:15 PM
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Joined: 3/29/2011
Posts: 2,242
hardwood wrote:
Does the polluted Nairobi river flow into this dam?


Water gets clean as it flows downstream.
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
wukan
#47 Posted : Wednesday, November 22, 2017 4:45:23 PM
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Joined: 11/13/2015
Posts: 1,654
Musimo wrote:
There are two frames of mind we are facing in our country today: Politics and development and politics of development. On one hand, a tunnel is to be constructed linking some rivers and supposed to collect a given amount of water for storage at ndakaini. From there, a new water treatment works is to be built, ensuring that the supply to nairobi will rise to cater for demand. A politician comes up saying they drew those plans while in government thus should get credit for the same, next day he says the plans would cause desertification downstream as all water would be diverted away from the river. Which politics is this, as per the above headings?
The northern water collection project is ongoing ( https://www.capitalfm.co...-140mn-litres-of-water/ ). this would solve part of the problems of Nairobi and water, but this alone will not help. I feel the blunder back then was allowing for low-density population areas in nairobi to be converted into high density population areas (Kilimani, Lavington, Lileleshwa, etc) instead of venturing out of nairobi by ensuring there are adequate and on-time transport solutions to cater for the guys living outside nairobi (Guys from thika, ruiur, machakos, Limuru/naivasha, etc), plus water and electricity.


Why are you advocating for urban sprawl(horizontal growth) instead of vertical growth? Cities are meant to be contained in small areas but dense with population. Kilimani, Lavi, Kibera are all areas within the urban core they should be high density areas. The unfortunate thing about nairobi is that it was planned by and for 'middle class sluts'
Quote:
‘General Erskine in a letter to his wife says of the settlers, ‘they are jumped-up middle class sluts and harlots, who for generations have brutally exploited the land and labour of an indigenous people who are finally striking back. I hate them all, they are virulent racists and not fit to rule over anything let alone a British colony.’


The building of dams and the urban development was also done in a way to segregate the population. That's why the leafy suburbs have adequate water supply and the mad-max Eastlandos buy borehole water. Those low density areas were just a white privilege thing carried over by the african elite. Many cities just have much denser populations in the urban core.

Water is an abundant resource, the question is just distribution. Surely even the technology for distributing water to city blocks is 2000 years old from the Roman times. Limiting access to water is just our african way of maintaining 'ubabi'

Impunity
#48 Posted : Friday, November 24, 2017 12:20:00 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 3/2/2009
Posts: 26,331
Location: Masada
Kaigangio wrote:
tony stark wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Good news and bad news.

Today the Govt signed a contract for the construction of Thwake dam in Kitui/Makueni counties.

https://www.capitalfm.co...ani-benefit-thwake-dam/

22KM long, 10 times bigger than Ndaka-ini, the biggest in East Africa and installed capacity of 823 Million cubic meters.

The bad news is that apart from capital FM, no other media house in Kenya thinks this is news worth covering. A google search only returns the above link.

I don't like Jubilee but if Uhuru can push this, his legacy is secured. Its the kind of project one hopes there is enough kick-back to take care of all the cartels. To make sure they are well motivated not to sabotage.



@FRM2011, The first feasibility study for Thwake Multipurpose dam was done in 1953 under colonial government. The second one was done in mid 1980s.

After bringing in a part financier, the civil works for Phase 1 were meant to start in June 2014 and complete in 2019 but somehow got delayed,

For your information, when the Thwake dam construction is completed to the last Phase it will have a total storage capacity equal 2.4 billion cubic metres of water for consumption, irrigation and 20MW HEP power generation.

Thanks for the education @Kaigangio.
I recently visited my mothers shagz in Makindu and saw that Makindu river dried a long time ago and I remember swimming in the said river. What is viability of these dams if our rivers are drying up as time goes on?


@tony..I have been asking myself about the same question, whether the current river flows and generally available water will be enough to sustain the existence of this dam. You see the feasibility studies were carried out long before the effects of global warming and wanton destruction of catchments started showing up in the 90s.


Which main rivers will be tapped to fill the Thwake dam?
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kawi254
#49 Posted : Friday, November 24, 2017 12:35:48 PM
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Joined: 2/20/2015
Posts: 468
Location: Nairobi
Impunity wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
tony stark wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Good news and bad news.

Today the Govt signed a contract for the construction of Thwake dam in Kitui/Makueni counties.

https://www.capitalfm.co...ani-benefit-thwake-dam/

22KM long, 10 times bigger than Ndaka-ini, the biggest in East Africa and installed capacity of 823 Million cubic meters.

The bad news is that apart from capital FM, no other media house in Kenya thinks this is news worth covering. A google search only returns the above link.

I don't like Jubilee but if Uhuru can push this, his legacy is secured. Its the kind of project one hopes there is enough kick-back to take care of all the cartels. To make sure they are well motivated not to sabotage.



@FRM2011, The first feasibility study for Thwake Multipurpose dam was done in 1953 under colonial government. The second one was done in mid 1980s.

After bringing in a part financier, the civil works for Phase 1 were meant to start in June 2014 and complete in 2019 but somehow got delayed,

For your information, when the Thwake dam construction is completed to the last Phase it will have a total storage capacity equal 2.4 billion cubic metres of water for consumption, irrigation and 20MW HEP power generation.

Thanks for the education @Kaigangio.
I recently visited my mothers shagz in Makindu and saw that Makindu river dried a long time ago and I remember swimming in the said river. What is viability of these dams if our rivers are drying up as time goes on?


@tony..I have been asking myself about the same question, whether the current river flows and generally available water will be enough to sustain the existence of this dam. You see the feasibility studies were carried out long before the effects of global warming and wanton destruction of catchments started showing up in the 90s.


Which main rivers will be tapped to fill the Thwake dam?
Sad



Seasonal rivers from Kitui, Makueni & Kajiado will be tapped. During rainy season/flash floods a lot of water flows on this seasonal rivers to Indian Ocean.

If you have visited Kitui, Makueni in a good rainy season you will agree that the only thing that land lacks is water and that it is fertile and productive. So the dam will help in irrigation so that you can enjoy you sweet sun kissed water melons from Makueni/Kitui in Nairobi.
Gathige
#50 Posted : Saturday, November 25, 2017 5:53:15 AM
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Joined: 3/29/2011
Posts: 2,242
kawi254 wrote:
Impunity wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
tony stark wrote:
Kaigangio wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

Good news and bad news.

Today the Govt signed a contract for the construction of Thwake dam in Kitui/Makueni counties.

https://www.capitalfm.co...ani-benefit-thwake-dam/

22KM long, 10 times bigger than Ndaka-ini, the biggest in East Africa and installed capacity of 823 Million cubic meters.

The bad news is that apart from capital FM, no other media house in Kenya thinks this is news worth covering. A google search only returns the above link.

I don't like Jubilee but if Uhuru can push this, his legacy is secured. Its the kind of project one hopes there is enough kick-back to take care of all the cartels. To make sure they are well motivated not to sabotage.



@FRM2011, The first feasibility study for Thwake Multipurpose dam was done in 1953 under colonial government. The second one was done in mid 1980s.

After bringing in a part financier, the civil works for Phase 1 were meant to start in June 2014 and complete in 2019 but somehow got delayed,

For your information, when the Thwake dam construction is completed to the last Phase it will have a total storage capacity equal 2.4 billion cubic metres of water for consumption, irrigation and 20MW HEP power generation.

Thanks for the education @Kaigangio.
I recently visited my mothers shagz in Makindu and saw that Makindu river dried a long time ago and I remember swimming in the said river. What is viability of these dams if our rivers are drying up as time goes on?


@tony..I have been asking myself about the same question, whether the current river flows and generally available water will be enough to sustain the existence of this dam. You see the feasibility studies were carried out long before the effects of global warming and wanton destruction of catchments started showing up in the 90s.


Which main rivers will be tapped to fill the Thwake dam?
Sad



Seasonal rivers from Kitui, Makueni & Kajiado will be tapped. During rainy season/flash floods a lot of water flows on this seasonal rivers to Indian Ocean.

If you have visited Kitui, Makueni in a good rainy season you will agree that the only thing that land lacks is water and that it is fertile and productive. So the dam will help in irrigation so that you can enjoy you sweet sun kissed water melons from Makueni/Kitui in Nairobi.


Rain water runoff would also be sufficient to supplement . Kiserian dam in Kajiado has no river flowing into it but collects water during the rain season and normally gets full. But the water is very filthy as it collects all the rains dirt with it, including waste from a nearby slaughtere house
"Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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