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Four MPs defect to NO camp
Brewer
#41 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 3:32:58 PM
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@ Ngalaka, imagine!

@Wendz, please let us in on who is spending such kind of money, you do not have to state the name, just 'insuate'.
Rahatupu
#42 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 5:26:51 PM
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@Soko tele, listen to Rasilio et al: you can not eat your cake and have it, you cannot be against reforms and claim to be a reformist.Sad Only in Kenya can a minister disagree with his "appointing authority" on such important matters of principle like the constitution and still retain the position. I find this to be very laughable, and I guess Soko belongs to this camp of demagogues.

Seeders
#43 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:19:19 PM
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the new constitution is not a panacea. shock therapy awaits us post aug 4 and post 2012.
Njung'e
#44 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:22:19 PM
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@Brewer,
My guess.......Baba Gidi.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
rasilio
#45 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 6:34:03 PM
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@seeders, are you one of those people going around telling Kenyans that they will make a million shillings once they vote Yes?

Who said anything about a panacea. This is a country where people have lost hope. Hope in the gov't, it's leaders, its courts and worse, its clergy. How long do you think this can last?

a new contract is needed and like Chandaria, I say, needed yesterday.

This stories of saying "lets wait until we can all agree" remind me of a doctor who tells the patient...oh you have Hiv, then lets just wait until you have full blown AIDs, you will have saved a lot of money. We shall also have all agreed that you really are sick.

My friend it will be too late.

what can be more shocking than people burning babies in a church or in Naivasha. Are you being serious?

B.Timer
#46 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:12:46 PM
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If some politician with fanatical following announces that he has been rigged out, no new constitution will prevent his/her followers from starting the kind of mayhem we saw in 2008.

Roads will be blocked, shops looted, 'enemy' sympathisers forcefully evicted etc.

If Matiba was such a politician, the same would have happened in 1992.

Granted, 40million Kenyans can never all agree on everything, but when a substantial constituency like the church, and a good chunk of Kenyans have REAL issues they want sorted, surely a way ought to be found to bring them on board and take their input into account.

The REAL issues have been raised elsewhere, and though weighty, they arent many, hence can be sorted easily if the will existed.

http://www.wazua.co.ke/f...aspx?g=posts&t=7637

Constitution making processes ought to be quite inclusive, as opposed to what we are experiencing in our case, where if the proposed laws pass, they are only likely to muster a dismall 50% - 60% approval.

Thus dividing the country down the middle.
That's most undesirable scenario for introducing of the supreme law framework in the land.

For general elections that would be just fine, but not so for a plebescite on the CONSTITUTION.

My take therefore is,if a short delay would help us ensure that the process is more inclusive to a tune of 75% upwards then we need take that bold step.
I am postive this is practicable.

It is a pity that Kenyans have recoiled to the old cocoons of shouting those of contary opinion down.
To us, anybody who does not agree with our view is the enemy, however sound his arguments may be!!!!

We need to think again.

Dunia ni msongamano..
Seeders
#47 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:21:29 PM
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rasilio/nanfor1/alma/nancy the insurer/tobiko

cool down man. no need to see moi and pat robertson in everything. draft will not prevent another kiambaa

rasilio wrote:
@seeders, are you one of those people going around telling Kenyans that they will make a million shillings once they vote Yes?

Who said anything about a panacea. This is a country where people have lost hope. Hope in the gov't, it's leaders, its courts and worse, its clergy. How long do you think this can last?

a new contract is needed and like Chandaria, I say, needed yesterday.

This stories of saying "lets wait until we can all agree" remind me of a doctor who tells the patient...oh you have Hiv, then lets just wait until you have full blown AIDs, you will have saved a lot of money. We shall also have all agreed that you really are sick.

My friend it will be too late.

what can be more shocking than people burning babies in a church or in Naivasha. Are you being serious?


rasilio
#48 Posted : Thursday, July 08, 2010 7:29:20 PM
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Now whether there are swali tata or not, this is not the time to do it.

you cannot make a constitution unlawfully. there was a timetable which brother ruto and co signed up to and actually formulated.

It is time to follow it.

It is up to the people to decide. Whatever they decide is what is lawful.

Just because you believe everyone will be a muslim state may not be such a big concern to 50%+1 of the Kenyans. It is swali tata to you but not to the other kenyans.

the law says 50%+1 . not 75% not 49.8%. By the way you are quoting umtata word for word...wewe ni yeye?



Wendz
#49 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 9:15:13 AM
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B.Timer wrote:

Thus dividing the country down the middle.
That's most undesirable scenario for introducing of the supreme law framework in the land.


My take therefore is,if a short delay would help us ensure that the process is more inclusive to a tune of 75% upwards then we need take that bold step.
I am postive this is practicable.



B. Timer,

I do respect all the issues you have raised because they are valid. However, i just want to comment on the two issues i have quoted above.

1. Ont he issue of dividing the country down the middle, i totally disagree with you. The vote in referendum will not divide the country whichever way it sways - my reason - assuming it goes NO, then the YES team will just have to "wait" for the changes(changes of which YES team acknowledge that they will be changed after katiba is passed) to be done and we get a new katiba as it has been said by the NO team... if it goes YES, then the NO team will wait for the amendments to be done.. in any case, none of the contentious issues raised by the NO camp are "urgent"... for example, women wont go on an abortion rampage, neither will the muslims take over the country as we are made to think and no one will come for your 1/8 acre all on 5th of August.

2. Your "short delay" is actually a chase of a wild goose in a tropical rain forest.... We gave our mpigs a chance to raise and agree on the contentious issues. You are aware that although initially there were the 3 famous/infamous ones, we ended up with over 200 issues raised... so what short wait are you trying to tell us? who will come up with the contentious issues to be agreed apon? who will determine what is contentious and what is not and what will make an mpig not say that the salary authority thing is contentious?

Lets not cheat ourselves that we can trust our "mpigs" who actually are supposed to be leading this process with the contentious issues they are talking about. its not going to happen. Tupitishe, turekebishe because if we dont secure what we can hold now, it will never come back as the law we want.... We cant trust them, not the ones in RED nor in GREEN... now that we have several locked in green, we better take the advantage and run with this thing.... anything else, we shall agree as kenyans which ones to change and especially if it favours us not the mpigs........
Njung'e
#50 Posted : Friday, July 09, 2010 9:43:43 AM
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@Wendz,
Can't put it better......Let's run with it before they realize they are neither red nor green.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm.
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