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KQ 2008-9 Results
slicky d
#81 Posted : Friday, June 12, 2009 12:05:00 PM
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Ok guys hatujisaidie na hi post. lets wait for the annual report and look at what the notes say. we gained from fuel hedges earlier we are being punished now. Life is about hedging. all banks have hedge on forex. lets get moving when we see the report we make better analysis.

Did we all note that all listed companies post their balance sheet,change in equity and cash flow statements except KQ. How can we make sure that we get this. someone with connection at NSE should ask them to ensure that they post these details.



The stock market is not for the faint hearted. The US market has had over 50 market corrections in 70 years
slicky d
#82 Posted : Friday, June 12, 2009 12:06:00 PM
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Ok guys hatujisaidie na hi post. lets wait for the annual report and look at what the notes say. we gained from fuel hedges earlier we are being punished now. Life is about hedging. all banks have hedge on forex. lets get moving when we see the report we make better analysis.

Did we all note that all listed companies post their balance sheet,change in equity and cash flow statements except KQ. How can we make sure that we get this. someone with connection at NSE should ask them to ensure that they post these details.



The stock market is not for the faint hearted. The US market has had over 50 market corrections in 70 years
kizee
#83 Posted : Friday, June 12, 2009 2:08:00 PM
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dude!....banks trade fx and actualy sell hedges yes some hedge but i have never come across a sitution when say an FX forward sale was revalued unless if said sale was for spec purposes...heck i work as a trader in a bank and i have some exposure albeit basic to financial assets..im just curious as to wat hapend to KQ thats all...sori guys if im flogin a dead horse......only reason why im askin mob questions is becoz VVS is one realy knowledgable guy when it comes to financial instruments....
VituVingiSana
#84 Posted : Friday, June 12, 2009 5:45:00 PM
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The assets are categorized by the 'owner' (which leads to cooking. Sometimes.) but there are guidelines. KQ's hedges are varied. They may (probably) be held to maturity.
* You are comparing apples to oranges. A GoK Bond has a PAYOFF that is 'guaranteed'. Not so a forward contract. Not so a Put or Call. Thus a GoK Bond can be HTM.
** A forward contract is difficult to value if categorized as HTM for a ultra-volatile (high-beta) commodity like oil. Best treatment is MTM.
*** A purchase of a Call or Put can be HTM but not for accounting purposes or prudence. The value can plummet to zero at any time. Also were they European or American options?

**** Bottomline: We need to pressure KQ to give us ADEQUATE disclosures!

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#85 Posted : Monday, June 22, 2009 8:10:00 AM
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KQ has shaken off the blues & is up 50% from the low of 17.60 after the results were announced.

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#86 Posted : Monday, June 22, 2009 8:46:00 AM
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Why does SK show 25.80 as the price when you can't trade at that price on the NSE. The price is either 25.75 or 26.00 but not 25.80.

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
The General
#87 Posted : Tuesday, June 30, 2009 7:25:00 AM
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KQ to set up fresh produce facility

The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
The thicker the thigh the sweeter the pie.
Pierce
#88 Posted : Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:06:00 AM
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This is really interesting,from Kshs 20 to Kshs 24 in a record 10 days!!

20% increase sounds good in such record time
cnn
#89 Posted : Thursday, October 22, 2009 8:49:00 AM
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@ pierce
slowly simmering,may just boil! Africa imprint.

see it through my lens?
Hi-Lo
#90 Posted : Thursday, October 22, 2009 11:00:00 AM
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...I think it's the crude price...today it's at 81...but it was 44 last Mar when they did the a/c with 7.5bn hedge losses. They've recovered more than 50% of the 7.5bn [a cool 4bn!!]...and with the grace of God...who knows...maybe crude strikes the magic no. 108...at which point even SCOM profits will will be peanuts comparatively...

Playing the stock market without insider info...is like buying a cow in the moonlight.
VituVingiSana
#91 Posted : Thursday, October 22, 2009 5:41:00 PM
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Do you recommend buying KQ at 24? What about operational results?

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Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#92 Posted : Friday, October 23, 2009 6:44:00 AM
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@cnn - I am looking at the live prices and it seems steady at 24 but supply is low vs demand.

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Kirethi
#93 Posted : Friday, October 23, 2009 7:47:00 AM
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For KQ I will remind all that it listed at 6 bob and its average rise has been gradual so this is a stock one should buy and bear in mind its for longterm investment to achieve maximum gains as profitability is highly influenced by the highly volatile world oil prices.

Watu wachangamuke
VituVingiSana
#94 Posted : Friday, October 23, 2009 8:04:00 AM
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@kirethi - So are the current higher oil prices good or bad for them? I understand that in the long term lower oil prices are better but what at the moment?

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Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#95 Posted : Friday, October 23, 2009 3:32:00 PM
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New 24-hr reservation call centre,new destinations (Bangui today) & Kisangani next month,new attitude (On-Time) means KQ is on a roll...

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
cnn
#96 Posted : Friday, October 23, 2009 3:49:00 PM
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With the imprint and hedges rolling off,this one looks enticing..BUY

see it through my lens?
VituVingiSana
#97 Posted : Friday, October 23, 2009 4:35:00 PM
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@cnn - What do you mean by 'imprint'?

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cnn
#98 Posted : Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:25:00 AM
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Africa imprint..the various new routes and destinations on the African contitent should boost the bottom line.

see it through my lens?
VituVingiSana
#99 Posted : Sunday, October 25, 2009 9:40:00 AM
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@cnn - thanks... I have read the annual report & they use 'footprint'... and you are right about the growth. They have introduced Gaberone,Ndola,Malabo in past 3 months. KQ plans Kisangani & Bangui in Nov 2009.

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#100 Posted : Sunday, October 25, 2009 6:07:00 PM
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I wonder if the relatives of politicians appointed as ambassadors fly KQ
ttp://www.nation.co.ke/News/-/1056/677062/-/item/2/-/4t8dnw/-/index.html

Greedy when others are fearful,Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase WB
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
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