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Voluntary Colonialism a cure for underdevelopment?
masukuma
#41 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:29:21 PM
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wukan wrote:
masukuma wrote:

So just when did the Mzungu have DNA change? Just when was this change made?
It's not DNA it's simply culture... the Mzungu's DNA has not changed at all in thousands of years just that their culture has changed! They were (still are) very war like and killed each other, in order to survive and take over lands they built large armies that needed to be fed and thus they did lots of agriculture... you think grabbing is a problem? you have no idea how much land the kings of 'wazungu' own! You must be crazy! do you know the whole of UK belongs to the Queen? Unamchezo sana. While this is more ceremonial ownership now - the Monarchs of Wazungu technically owned everything they had an army over plus the people. Do you even know what 'Crown lands' were?

You are right about instant gratification... the very thing that makes you complain bitterly online.. "oh we should have developed in 50 years...oh Nairobi should have been planned earlier so that I can live a good life... oh our cities are a mess - quit being a child and take ownership of your fate... stop arguing that we would be better under some other people! take responsibility and know that it's not necessarily the person who plants a tree that eats the fruit... WEWE FANYA WHAT YOU THINK NEEDS TO GET DONE! DON'T WAIT FOR OTHERS! WE NEED THAT IN OUR CULTURE!


@radiomast what @masukuma is saying true it's the culture that changed. Mzungus after the fall of rome were unable to maintain the high culture of the roman and greek civilzation. It's actually the arabs who preserved the writings of earlier civilizations. Mzugnus had to undergo an age of enlightenment to catch up. However, the war like nature of mzungus is in their DNA those Neanderthal genes. The history of conflict shows they are the most violent race. Heck even the EU was formed to stop them from going violent again.

Mwafrka too had a high culture for over 3000 years in Egypt until they slaughtered all the high society people and started wandering in the forests.

All in all if you travel in Africa in areas which were properly colonized (kenya, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Botswana, Namibia, Morocco) there is a marked difference in culture when compared to the areas with indirect rule.

The other thing @masukuma is ignoring is the rapid population growth especially in the Sahel countries. This is where the German minister had in mind to establish chartered cities. Spreading high culture will be pretty difficult. Ever tried to argue with people from Juba or Congo or the loud Guineans, you will appreciate Kenyans pleasant high culture courtesy of being colonized by the upper class British society

Why are the Germans moving suo motu to help us? Our cities are smaller than indian and chinese or random asian cities.... Asians have one trait in their culture... even random Afghans I meet... TUTAFANYA! They know it's their responsibility sio ya wengine. Mwafrika - GROW UP!
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radiomast
#42 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:41:49 PM
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masukuma wrote:



Why are the Germans moving suo motu to help us? Our cities are smaller than indian and chinese or random asian cities.... Asians have one trait in their culture... even random Afghans I meet... TUTAFANYA! They know it's their responsibility sio ya wengine. Mwafrika - GROW UP!


If you bother to read the article before blabbing you will note that they are not helping us. They are just fed up with Mwafrika immigration to Europe. And they are fed up with Mwafrika ruining their own country then begging Europe for help.

And I find it funny that you praise Afghans. Thats not a country worth emulating by anyone. They have their own set of cultural problems which have led to acute poverty.
radiomast
#43 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:53:10 PM
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wukan wrote:


@radiomast what @masukuma is saying true it's the culture that changed. Mzungus after the fall of rome were unable to maintain the high culture of the roman and greek civilzation. It's actually the arabs who preserved the writings of earlier civilizations. Mzugnus had to undergo an age of enlightenment to catch up. However, the war like nature of mzungus is in their DNA those Neanderthal genes. The history of conflict shows they are the most violent race. Heck even the EU was formed to stop them from going violent again.

Mwafrka too had a high culture for over 3000 years in Egypt until they slaughtered all the high society people and started wandering in the forests.

All in all if you travel in Africa in areas which were properly colonized (kenya, Ivory Coast, Ghana, Botswana, Namibia, Morocco) there is a marked difference in culture when compared to the areas with indirect rule.

The other thing @masukuma is ignoring is the rapid population growth especially in the Sahel countries. This is where the German minister had in mind to establish chartered cities. Spreading high culture will be pretty difficult. Ever tried to argue with people from Juba or Congo or the loud Guineans, you will appreciate Kenyans pleasant high culture courtesy of being colonized by the upper class British society



I don't deny that Europeans are also war-like. Every country has selfish individuals. The difference is that Muzungu seems to have a system in place where they learn from their mistakes. Mwafrika never learns. Mwafrika is too greedy and self centered to consider whether the consequences of his actions will have a negative impact on his own society.

Masukuma is a classic example. Thats why he keeps propagating that kujipanga nonsense.

A muzungu will likely wage war against another country. A muzungu will happily steal from another country. he will happily exploit other people.

Mwafrika on the other hand will wage war on his own people and steal from his own people and exploit his own people.

How often do you hear of civil war in the UK or France or Germany? It is very rare even throughout history.

Now look at how often Africans are always at their own brothers throats be it Kenya or Rwanda or Sierra Leone or Zaire or S.Sudan or Naija or Algeria or ............. And its often closely related people fighting like Hutu Vs Tutsi who are basically the same people or Dinka vs Nuer who are closely related.

Muzungu seems to understand that a society benefits when everyone makes progress.

Mwafrika on the other hand wants to benefit at his neioghbours expense. Thats what masukuma calls kujipanga. Its the height of nonsense.



wukan
#44 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:58:54 PM
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masukuma wrote:

Why are the Germans moving suo motu to help us? Our cities are smaller than indian and chinese or random asian cities.... Asians have one trait in their culture... even random Afghans I meet... TUTAFANYA! They know it's their responsibility sio ya wengine. Mwafrika - GROW UP!


The Germans have been arguing for a Marshall plan for Africa. It is a debate in European high society on whether to turn Europe into a fortress or spread out and share. Remember it's America that created the Asian middle class, South Korea, Japan etc. were industrialized because America wanted them to be to check on the soviet union. China tried Industrialization in late 19th century mid 20th century and failed miserably until Nixon went and helped them out. This thing of TUTAFANYA does not work. Setting up an industrial supply chain is not an easy thing. Lazima usaidiwe kutoa lock of the village mentality.

George Soros is also talking the same thing as the Germans
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The European Union is in an existential crisis. Everything that could go wrong has gone wrong. First I will briefly explain how this happened and then I will explore what can be done to reverse the trend.


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there is a woeful shortage of financial resources. We estimate that a meaningful Marshall Plan for Africa would require at least 30 billion euros a year for a number of years. Member states could contribute only a small fraction of this amount even if they were ready to do so.

​How might such a plan be financed then? It’s important to recognize that the refugee crisis is a European problem and it needs a European solution. The European Union has a high credit rating and its borrowing capacity is largely unused. When should that capacity be put to use if not in an existential crisis? Throughout history, the national debt always grew at times of war. Admittedly, adding to the national debt runs counter to the prevailing addiction to austerity; but the austerity policy is itself a contributing factor to the crisis in which Europe finds itself.

Full speech here
radiomast
#45 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2018 8:59:50 PM
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With regard to Egypt. I don't think there is any evidence that the Egyptians who built the pyramids were black African. They were likely of Eurasian stock. As you know, most North African natives such as the Kabyl, Toureg, Bedouin etc are a mix of Eurasian and African.

Also this happpened 3000 years ago. What does Mwafrika have to brag about today?

Its not because we are dense or because Europeans are clever. Its because our culture is rotten. In Kenya we praise and lionize thieves like Jomo Kenyatta.

You won't find Germany praising hitler. They tell the truth about him so they can learn and not repeat the same mistakes.
wukan
#46 Posted : Thursday, November 29, 2018 9:22:40 PM
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radiomast wrote:
With regard to Egypt. I don't think there is any evidence that the Egyptians who built the pyramids were black African. They were likely of Eurasian stock. As you know, most North African natives such as the Kabyl, Toureg, Bedouin etc are a mix of Eurasian and African.

Also this happpened 3000 years ago. What does Mwafrika have to brag about today?

Its not because we are dense or because Europeans are clever. Its because our culture is rotten. In Kenya we praise and lionize thieves like Jomo Kenyatta.

You won't find Germany praising hitler. They tell the truth about him so they can learn and not repeat the same mistakes.


Yawa, boss those pictures on the pyramids are full of brown and black people hakuna Eurasian stock. Those came in much later. You need to learn the history of the black rulers of Europe the Moors and the cultural and knowledge of Timbuktu when mzungus were in dark ages. Man Musa the richest man who ever lived was from Mali from this period. Mali which is now being assisted to stem the immigrants was a pillar of humanity.

Let's say the truth most Africans are dense and they always refuse to listen to the clever among them. Most average Europeans/Americans are also dense but they elevate the clever ones to positions where they guide society. That's why in Europe education is really emphasized and they like good ideas. Mwafrika likes experimenting with bad ideas and praising mediocrity
masukuma
#47 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2018 8:59:48 AM
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I keep on wondering what we are arguing about...
1) Mzungu building their enclaves here...NOT GOING TO HAPPEN!!!
2) Only way this place develops - YOU BEING RESPONSIBLE and realizing that you are not the reason... it doesn't end with you. The universe and humanity did not have you as the end goal and if things are not perfect now it doesn't mean they will not be perfect... your happiness is not the end game of human existence.

there you go... figure out how to change your culture and your system help is not coming from anywhere else.
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masukuma
#48 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2018 9:34:23 AM
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99.999999999999% of all human that have ever existed have lived in poverty. Poverty is a starting point... the question should not be WHAT CAUSES POVERTY but rather WHAT CAUSES WEALTH! what is this idea that change the lives for a very small number of humans?
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wukan
#49 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2018 11:19:26 AM
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masukuma wrote:
99.999999999999% of all human that have ever existed have lived in poverty. Poverty is a starting point... the question should not be WHAT CAUSES POVERTY but rather WHAT CAUSES WEALTH! what is this idea that change the lives for a very small number of humans?


Poverty is a relative term. We know what causes wealth question we are asking how come Africa with its resources and abundant young labour force only controls 3% of the world GDP and around 1% of global trade forcing its young people on risky journeys to cross the Mediterranean sea?
masukuma
#50 Posted : Friday, November 30, 2018 11:34:00 AM
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wukan wrote:
masukuma wrote:
99.999999999999% of all human that have ever existed have lived in poverty. Poverty is a starting point... the question should not be WHAT CAUSES POVERTY but rather WHAT CAUSES WEALTH! what is this idea that change the lives for a very small number of humans?


Poverty is a relative term. We know what causes wealth question we are asking how come Africa with its resources and abundant young labour force only controls 3% of the world GDP and around 1% of global trade forcing its young people on risky journeys to cross the Mediterranean sea?

Because you produce at all and if you do... you produce what you don't consume and consume what you don't produce...
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