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RAILA WITHDRAWS from Oct polls; Demands Fresh Elections
alma1
#81 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:36:28 PM
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murchr wrote:
Ryko wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ryko wrote:
Looks to me Nasa has a sharp battalion of Lawyers... how come Jubilee is this weak, their legal minds are in another world
Its not Baba vs Uhuru, it is Nasa Constitutional Lawyers vs Uhuru and they are smashing every move Uhuru is making. As Uhuru trys to fix this Nasa lawyers will have manufactured another circus.

Seems to me Jubilee is always late.... and it has dawned on all of us we are heading for a Caretaker Govt.



This was foreseen hence the law making process in parliament. The law is vague. What matters is just how the parties arguing it out and the judges interpreting the law decide.


My brother @Murchr lets be real here please, NASA constitutional lawyers are urinating all over Jubilee.


That's bar talk


Murchr, hapa mmekaganywa mkakangayika

If Aukot wins then withdraws, what then? By the way, the High Court if I can remember my law clearly is bound by the 2013 Mutunga court ruling. So Aukot ain't coming to save the day.

I'm not a lawyer, but I tend to agree with Ryko. I think Jubilee lawyers are more adept at blogging and passing notes to Pauline Njoroge than actually doing their work.

Whether IEBC holds and election on the 26th or not, we all know, we are going to court, yet again. And this is where the comedy shall start. Where Njoki Ndungu, Jackton will be forced to tell the whole world that they were wrong in 2013.

I mean, you can't make this stuff up.

I keep on telling people. Creating laws for Raila will only lead to pain for thyself.

As for your issue with the horse already bolting. Please talk to a Nasa lawyer, it seems those ones can explain legal stuff better than the tweet fiends.

My advise. Get Charles Kanjama on your team. He is not emotional and I'm sure he can get something.
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limanika
#82 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:40:09 PM
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Ryko wrote:
murchr wrote:
Ryko wrote:
Looks to me Nasa has a sharp battalion of Lawyers... how come Jubilee is this weak, their legal minds are in another world
Its not Baba vs Uhuru, it is Nasa Constitutional Lawyers vs Uhuru and they are smashing every move Uhuru is making. As Uhuru trys to fix this Nasa lawyers will have manufactured another circus.

Seems to me Jubilee is always late.... and it has dawned on all of us we are heading for a Caretaker Govt.



This was foreseen hence the law making process in parliament. The law is vague. What matters is just how the parties arguing it out and the judges interpreting the law decide.


My brother @Murchr lets be real here please, NASA constitutional lawyers are urinating all over Jubilee.

Not quite. Rails just wants to extend his relevance. He wants election postponed by another 3 months, when that time comes, he says iebc has still not met demands, another postponent is necessary, etc and so on.. Kenyans are tired. This game will come to an end very soon and he will be confined to oblivion
Impunity
#83 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 9:54:26 PM
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muganda wrote:
harrydre wrote:
muganda wrote:
2012 wrote:
It's time to go back to the Supreme Court again for an urgent interpretation. This time baba will be shocked. Not forgetting that all his demands are unconstitutional.

Luckily, ballot papers were going for printing today. They can now omit his name we move on.

@2012, you are very right. Because the 'presidential election' as per Raila 2013 ruling does not require fresh nominations, so how would '3 days after nomination' come in?
Hence, in my opinion, we may probably have an opportunity to see:

1. Another Court melodrama

2. Uhuru appealing to same court he insulted

3. Njoki Ndung'u probably having to go against the 'Raila 2013' she so loved

4. Maraga's court learning the wisdom between 'the greater Good' and 'God is in the detail'






My prediction:-

If Aukot's petition is successful tomorrow, the elections on Oct 26 will go on bila baba.
If not, then IEBC will declare UK president.

After that baba might decide to go to court or just retire more 'honorably'

if he goes to court,

The Court will tell them it was ready to annul the repeat elections if IEBC repeated the same mistakes as it did on 8/8, they will then be asked why they withdrew yet the court is open?


Quite happy with your prediction. It would be mighty convenient if Aukot was on the ballot. Then we can move on.


Of course Aukot will say he is no longer interestep in running.
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limanika
#84 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:08:39 PM
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Impunity wrote:
muganda wrote:
harrydre wrote:
muganda wrote:
2012 wrote:
It's time to go back to the Supreme Court again for an urgent interpretation. This time baba will be shocked. Not forgetting that all his demands are unconstitutional.

Luckily, ballot papers were going for printing today. They can now omit his name we move on.

@2012, you are very right. Because the 'presidential election' as per Raila 2013 ruling does not require fresh nominations, so how would '3 days after nomination' come in?
Hence, in my opinion, we may probably have an opportunity to see:

1. Another Court melodrama

2. Uhuru appealing to same court he insulted

3. Njoki Ndung'u probably having to go against the 'Raila 2013' she so loved

4. Maraga's court learning the wisdom between 'the greater Good' and 'God is in the detail'






My prediction:-

If Aukot's petition is successful tomorrow, the elections on Oct 26 will go on bila baba.
If not, then IEBC will declare UK president.

After that baba might decide to go to court or just retire more 'honorably'

if he goes to court,

The Court will tell them it was ready to annul the repeat elections if IEBC repeated the same mistakes as it did on 8/8, they will then be asked why they withdrew yet the court is open?


Quite happy with your prediction. It would be mighty convenient if Aukot was on the ballot. Then we can move on.


Of course Aukot will say he is no longer interestep in running.

I don't want aukot in the ballot. We can't keep bending laws for ever
hardwood
#85 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:33:58 PM
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Common sense dictates that if 2 people are contesting in an election and one of them withdraws, then the remaining candidate should be declared elected unopposed. It's as simple as that. Seems common sense isn't very common in kenia.
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#86 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 10:55:08 PM
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There is one big issue

2013 Supreme Court ruling, does it apply for this case?

Is there any written law(Act of Parliament) that is contrary to the ruling? Because if there is, the ruling can't be used and has been overridden by the new law
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sitaki.kujulikana
#87 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:26:06 PM
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yaani several other countries have held election and gone on na sisi bado we are beating our poor chests ati lawyers wetu ni wanoma kuliko wenyu.

we have come to this low, yaani at the same level with drc, they are still waiting to hold theirs also.
Angelica _ann
#88 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:32:19 PM
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Nice no okuyu to buy land till beyond .…...
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murchr
#89 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:37:50 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
yaani several other countries have held election and gone on na sisi bado we are beating our poor Bony chests ati lawyers wetu ni wanoma kuliko wenyu.

we have come to this low, yaani at the same level with drc, they are still waiting to hold theirs also.


Hierarchy of laws

1. Katiba (Sect 140 (c) If the Supreme Court determines the election of the President-elect to be invalid, a fresh election shall be held within sixty days after the determination.

2. Acts of parliament (article 52 of Constitution)

3. Judicial responds. (SCOK 2013 ruling)


We are living in interesting days
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Realtreaty
#90 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 11:48:25 PM
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This is the wisdom of Orengo. Heis always advising baba how to destroy kenya.
Kusadikika
#91 Posted : Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:10:31 AM
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Realtreaty wrote:
This is the wisdom of Orengo. Heis always advising baba how to destroy kenya.


If there is one group of people who are totally out of touch with common mwananchi it is the so called big shot lawyers. The likes of Orengo, Ahmednassir, Donald Kipkorir. These guys are like vultures who feed off carcasses. The more carcasses there are the more they thrive. Disorder and instability only produces more carcasses for them to feed on and then they can gloat to the rest of us about their brilliance.

There should be an organization for retailers from across the country in all counties. Watu wenye maduka and not those who sell to institutions, those people who sell unga and sukari to kawaida raia and have margins in the single digits percentages. These are the guys who can tell you what is really going on and it is not pretty. When people think that asking for 90 more days of politics so that we can get a more perfect election they are living in dreamland. Things are falling apart and we are all focused on Raila's next move.
Uram
#92 Posted : Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:20:29 AM
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Reading the 2013 Supreme court ruling, Ekuru Aukot will lose his case. Secondly, we MIGHT have a fresh election in 3 months unless the Supreme Court vacates its initial position. Jubilee knew that and it was part of their Election Law amendments.Jisomee, wachana na hawa sycophants;

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(ix) Possible Reliefs: A “Fresh Election?”
[286] The Attorney-General, as amicus curiae, invited the Court to give directions on a line of relief declared by the Constitution, depending on the finding on merits. Article 138(5) of the Constitution stipulates that if after the hearing of the Petition, the Court finds no candidate to have been duly elected, “a fresh election shall be held within thirty days after the previous election and in that fresh election the only candidates shall be –
(a) the candidate, or the candidates, who received the greatest number of votes; and
(b) the candidate, or the candidates, who received the second greatest number of votes.”
[287] The expression “a fresh election” appears also in Article 140(3), which thus provides:
“If the Supreme Court determines the election of the President-elect to be invalid, a fresh election shall be held within sixty days after the determination.”
As the phrase “fresh election,” as used in Article 140(3), does not tally with its application in Article 138(2) and (3), the amicus curiae sought the Court’s answer to the following question: “Does the fresh election anticipated by Article 140(3) mean an entirely new Presidential election (including the nomination process), or does [it] mean a similar election as that anticipated under Article 138(5) and (7) – with the same candidates as in the earlier poll?”
[288] Article 138(4) provides that a candidate shall be declared elected if the candidate receives: (a) more than half of all the votes cast in the election; and (b) at least 25% of the votes cast in each of more than half of the counties. Article 138(5) provides that if no candidate is elected, a fresh election shall be held within 30 days following the previous election, and in this later election the candidates shall be: (a) the candidate, or the candidates, who received the greatest number of votes; and (b) the candidate, or the candidates, who received the second greatest number of votes. Article 138 (6) provides that if more than one candidate receives the greatest number of votes, then Article 138(5)(b) shall not apply and the only candidates in the fresh election shall be those contemplated in Article 138(5)(a). Article 138(7) provides that the candidate who receives the most votes in the fresh election shall be declared elected as President.
[289] It is clear that a fresh election under Article 140(3) is triggered by the invalidation of the election of the declared President-elect, by the Supreme Court, following a successful petition against such election. Since such a fresh election is built on the foundations of the invalidated election, it can, in our opinion, only involve candidates who participated in the original election. In that case, there will be no basis for a fresh nomination of candidates for the resultant electoral contest.
[290] Suppose, however, that the candidates, or a candidate who took part in the original election, dies or abandons the electoral quest before the scheduled date: then the provisions of Article 138(1) (b) would become applicable, with fresh nominations ensuing.
[291] Barring the foregoing scenario, does the “fresh election” contemplated under Article 140(3) bear the same meaning as the one contemplated under Article 138(5) and (7)? The answer depends on the nature of the petition that invalidated the original election. If the petitioner was only one of the candidates, and who had taken the second position in vote-tally to the President-elect, then the “fresh election” will, in law, be confined to the petitioner and the President-elect. And all the remaining candidates who did not contest the election of the President-elect, will be assumed to have either conceded defeat, or acquiesced in the results as declared by IEBC; and such candidates may not participate in the “fresh election.”
[292] Such, indeed, is the situation in the instant case. It follows that if this Court should invalidate the election of the 3rd and 4th Respondents, only the 1st Petitioner would participate as a contestant in the “fresh election” against the President-elect. And the candidate who receives the most votes in the fresh election would be declared elected as President.
[293] But suppose a successful petition challenging the President-elect were filed by more than one candidate who had participated in the original election. The only candidates in the fresh election, in such a case, in our opinion, would be the petitioners as well as the declared President-elect whose election had been annulled.
[294] Suppose further, that the election of a declared President-elect is annulled following the petition of a person who was not a candidate in the original election. In such a case, in our opinion, each of the Presidential-election candidates in the original election would be entitled to participate in the “fresh election” – and no fresh nominations would be required.
masukuma
#93 Posted : Wednesday, October 11, 2017 12:48:22 AM
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Nice no okuyu to buy land till beyond .…...

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#94 Posted : Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:15:16 AM
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Let the circus continue. You may find your initial argument (Constitution, SCORK 2013 and Elections ACT) no longer supports your current position. Hii ni real-life example of portfolio realignment of political arguments.
Uram
#95 Posted : Wednesday, October 11, 2017 1:24:07 AM
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Quite an interesting view;

By Dickens Olewe, BBC News

Quote:
The withdrawal could be a strategy for Raila Odinga to exit the political scene on his own terms.

The annulment of President Uhuru Kenyatta's victory in the 8 August election was a much-needed political high for Mr Odinga.He felt vindicated for challenging the election and pushed for changes to the electoral system as a condition for his participation in the re-run.

The electoral commission has rejected the changes he demanded, largely because of contractual agreements with the companies providing key services for the election.

With President Kenyatta's party having won a majority of MPs in both houses of parliament, it is likely that Mr Odinga was headed for another defeat and that would be too much for a man, who has been nicknamed the enigma.
limanika
#96 Posted : Wednesday, October 11, 2017 3:09:48 AM
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Rao hasnt withdrawn, he's only seeking postponement of election date. In other words, he hasnt withdrawn from the electoral contest, he is only seeking change of the date of contest thro back door. A mischievous attempt to have your cake and eat it. Iebc should ask him to either withdraw completely or election goes on as scheduled. Simple and clear
harrydre
#97 Posted : Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:05:25 AM
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Raila's Paybill and today's events remind me of matatu culture. Conductor collects fare before journey begins and disappears, only for the passengers to realize that the mat has a flat and they must alight before it is fixed. I said earlier this canaan was a con job.
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murchr
#98 Posted : Wednesday, October 11, 2017 5:47:43 AM
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Mwananinchi reactions

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Machakos - The lies the media tells us look at the heading vs what they are saying

"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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newfarer
#99 Posted : Wednesday, October 11, 2017 6:08:19 AM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Realtreaty wrote:
This is the wisdom of Orengo. Heis always advising baba how to destroy kenya.


If there is one group of people who are totally out of touch with common mwananchi it is the so called big shot lawyers. The likes of Orengo, Ahmednassir, Donald Kipkorir. These guys are like vultures who feed off carcasses. The more carcasses there are the more they thrive. Disorder and instability only produces more carcasses for them to feed on and then they can gloat to the rest of us about their brilliance.

There should be an organization for retailers from across the country in all counties. Watu wenye maduka and not those who sell to institutions, those people who sell unga and sukari to kawaida raia and have margins in the single digits percentages. These are the guys who can tell you what is really going on and it is not pretty. When people think that asking for 90 more days of politics so that we can get a more perfect election they are living in dreamland. Things are falling apart and we are all focused on Raila's next move.


couldn't agree more.soon many will be jobless.things are just thick.from MPESA guy to kinyozi to mama mbogas.just wish it was over on 26th
punda amecheka
quicksand
#100 Posted : Wednesday, October 11, 2017 7:04:50 AM
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Angelica _ann wrote:

Nice no okuyu to buy land till beyond .…...


Never would have pegged you a bigot .... Sad Sad
Sad,...shouldn't be surprised really, you find all sorts on a public forum.
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