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FRM2011
#81 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 8:37:14 AM
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I am here treating the general's death just like any other. But there are guys who believe he was immortal.

If we go with the wild theory that he was taken out, the people who immediately become persons of interest are very close friends, colleagues and family.

I am also realizing many guys have never read our new constitution. The interior CS does not control police. The constitution explicitly states as such. Any directive from the CS to IG must be in writing. And it cannot be with regard to a specific investigation.

The general died because his time was up. Nobody stars to gain anything out of his death.

But if we want to pursue the conspiracies, let's start by interrogating the president. He was one of the last people to see the general alive.
otienosmall
#82 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 9:10:51 AM
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aemathenge
#83 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 9:32:22 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:

I am here treating the general's death just like any other. But there are guys who believe he was immortal.

If we go with the wild theory that he was taken out, the people who immediately become persons of interest are very close friends, colleagues and family.

I am also realizing many guys have never read our new constitution. The interior CS does not control police. The constitution explicitly states as such. Any directive from the CS to IG must be in writing. And it cannot be with regard to a specific investigation.

The general died because his time was up. Nobody stars to gain anything out of his death.

But if we want to pursue the conspiracies, let's start by interrogating the president. He was one of the last people to see the general alive.


I have been holding my breath, waiting for your spin on the death of the good General *(May His Soul Rest In Eternal Peace)

And as expected, you have yet to disappoint me.

You have expertly placed this one precisely where 8817 Presidential Candidate RAO would want it to be.

Squarely at the doorstep of his opponent, Candidate Kenyatta-Ruto.

Nice move.
2012
#84 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 9:45:56 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:

But if we want to pursue the conspiracies, let's start by interrogating the president. He was one of the last people to see the general alive.


So you think they left the prayer meeting, then he probably invited him to state house and dropped a pill in his water when he went to take a leak so he could ask the education CS to take up his role in an acting capacity for 30 days? Cm'on!

BBI will solve it
:)
Nandwa
#85 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 10:30:59 AM
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Some things are best ignored.

An eye for an eye would leave the world blind - said Gandhi.

If only 3% of us here in wazua adopted militancy as baited, this place would be worse than Allepo, or Kosovo back in the day.

Those who favour militancy, well.....

Any wonder that during or immediately after elections fellows quickly graduate to active and physical militancy!!
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
Nandwa
#86 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 10:37:31 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:

I am here treating the general's death just like any other. But there are guys who believe he was immortal.

If we go with the wild theory that he was taken out, the people who immediately become persons of interest are very close friends, colleagues and family.

I am also realizing many guys have never read our new constitution. The interior CS does not control police. The constitution explicitly states as such. Any directive from the CS to IG must be in writing. And it cannot be with regard to a specific investigation.

The general died because his time was up. Nobody stars to gain anything out of his death.

But if we want to pursue the conspiracies, let's start by interrogating the president. He was one of the last people to see the general alive.

NASA top brass have been blaiming Nkaissery for that, many times! One case in point is during the Hassan/IEBC commisioners must go demos.
Can you convince them first of your reading of the constitution.
Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
madollar
#87 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 11:20:48 AM
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In African culture its very rare for anyone to be kicked out during a funeral gathering.The family of the late nkaissery demanded NASA politicians including the county governor and area MP to be denied entry into the family home.
FRM2011
#88 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 12:00:56 PM
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2012 wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

But if we want to pursue the conspiracies, let's start by interrogating the president. He was one of the last people to see the general alive.


So you think they left the prayer meeting, then he probably invited him to state house and dropped a pill in his water when he went to take a leak so he could ask the education CS to take up his role in an acting capacity for 30 days? Cm'on!


No, it's @harrydre and his alter ego, @hardwood who are insisting the general was killed.

He was not. It was a natural death.

But if they want us to pursue his killers, let's start with everyone who was in contact with general 6 hours preceding his death. You realize that would make the wife a prime suspect. His best friend with whom he shared a drink at Bomas too. And didn't the president say they had talked at 9pm ?

It's a wild goose chase. But because mutahi ngunyi said it, then it must be the truth.
vky
#89 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 12:15:11 PM
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FRM2011 wrote:
2012 wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

But if we want to pursue the conspiracies, let's start by interrogating the president. He was one of the last people to see the general alive.


So you think they left the prayer meeting, then he probably invited him to state house and dropped a pill in his water when he went to take a leak so he could ask the education CS to take up his role in an acting capacity for 30 days? Cm'on!


No, it's @harrydre and his alter ego, @hardwood who are insisting the general was killed.

He was not. It was a natural death.

But if they want us to pursue his killers, let's start with everyone who was in contact with general 6 hours preceding his death. You realize that would make the wife a prime suspect. His best friend with whom he shared a drink at Bomas too. And didn't the president say they had talked at 9pm ?

It's a wild goose chase. But because mutahi ngunyi said it, then it must be the truth.


here is another conspiracy theory, there is a guy on twitter claiming that the general was assassinated after he was briefed by military intelligence of a 'secret part' of bomas which was out of bounds to everyone else save for the 'mafia', he alleges that the general stormed into this 'secret' and that is why he was killed
'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
Ngalaka
#90 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 12:25:38 PM
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Mutahi Ngunyi is a cheeky conspiracist!

Churning them out to keep people busy
Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
Iganamagana
#91 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 1:36:18 PM
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murchr wrote:
Me thinks the cause of death is Cardiac Arrest, same thing killing the footballers on the other thread we have here. But that's just me. I think its important to incorporate baby aspirin to avoid such


You nailed it. Sharp pain in the chest and subsequently collapsing is a strong indicator of a heart attack. It is time we stopped putting spins on every death! People die of so many causes and it's not like every senior or well known person is taken out.
Fullykenyan
#92 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 2:36:41 PM
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Iganamagana wrote:
murchr wrote:
Me thinks the cause of death is Cardiac Arrest, same thing killing the footballers on the other thread we have here. But that's just me. I think its important to incorporate baby aspirin to avoid such


You nailed it. Sharp pain in the chest and subsequently collapsing is a strong indicator of a heart attack. It is time we stopped putting spins on every death! People die of so many causes and it's not like every senior or well known person is taken out.


If there was a reliable ambulance system in the coounty,maybe the good general would still be alive.I read that his house is only 2km from Karen hospital, but then i wonder, why his family did not immediately rush him to hospital. Alot of ignorance from our people.
madollar
#93 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 2:56:00 PM
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vky wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:
2012 wrote:
FRM2011 wrote:

But if we want to pursue the conspiracies, let's start by interrogating the president. He was one of the last people to see the general alive.


So you think they left the prayer meeting, then he probably invited him to state house and dropped a pill in his water when he went to take a leak so he could ask the education CS to take up his role in an acting capacity for 30 days? Cm'on!


No, it's @harrydre and his alter ego, @hardwood who are insisting the general was killed.

He was not. It was a natural death.

But if they want us to pursue his killers, let's start with everyone who was in contact with general 6 hours preceding his death. You realize that would make the wife a prime suspect. His best friend with whom he shared a drink at Bomas too. And didn't the president say they had talked at 9pm ?

It's a wild goose chase. But because mutahi ngunyi said it, then it must be the truth.


here is another conspiracy theory, there is a guy on twitter claiming that the general was assassinated after he was briefed by military intelligence of a 'secret part' of bomas which was out of bounds to everyone else save for the 'mafia', he alleges that the general stormed into this 'secret' and that is why he was killed

Laughing out loudly a "secret part" at the interior minister "ka local" atakama ni spin
Obi 1 Kanobi
#94 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 4:55:41 PM
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Fullykenyan wrote:
Iganamagana wrote:
murchr wrote:
Me thinks the cause of death is Cardiac Arrest, same thing killing the footballers on the other thread we have here. But that's just me. I think its important to incorporate baby aspirin to avoid such


You nailed it. Sharp pain in the chest and subsequently collapsing is a strong indicator of a heart attack. It is time we stopped putting spins on every death! People die of so many causes and it's not like every senior or well known person is taken out.


If there was a reliable ambulance system in the coounty,maybe the good general would still be alive.I read that his house is only 2km from Karen hospital, but then i wonder, why his family did not immediately rush him to hospital. Alot of ignorance from our people.


Are you sure, sometime there is very little that can be done. Players have collapsed while playing soccer in Europe and died despite there being a doctor and an ambulance 50 metres away.
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
2012
#95 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 5:03:06 PM
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Fullykenyan wrote:
Iganamagana wrote:
murchr wrote:
Me thinks the cause of death is Cardiac Arrest, same thing killing the footballers on the other thread we have here. But that's just me. I think its important to incorporate baby aspirin to avoid such


You nailed it. Sharp pain in the chest and subsequently collapsing is a strong indicator of a heart attack. It is time we stopped putting spins on every death! People die of so many causes and it's not like every senior or well known person is taken out.


If there was a reliable ambulance system in the coounty,maybe the good general would still be alive.I read that his house is only 2km from Karen hospital, but then i wonder, why his family did not immediately rush him to hospital. Alot of ignorance from our people.



This is not your average family. I'm sure they did their best plus he was a fit gentleman so it could have been hard for them to just draw conclusions. It's never that straightforward.

BBI will solve it
:)
Jump-steady
#96 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 5:14:37 PM
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murchr wrote:
Me thinks the cause of death is Cardiac Arrest, same thing killing the footballers on the other thread we have here. But that's just me. I think its important to incorporate baby aspirin to avoid such



What is that?

But i am with you on your theory that a cardiac arrest could have done in the general. Wazuans may also consider the fact that advanced age, alcohol and the blue pill don't go hand in glove.
hardwood
#97 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 5:22:39 PM
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Fullykenyan wrote:
Iganamagana wrote:
murchr wrote:
Me thinks the cause of death is Cardiac Arrest, same thing killing the footballers on the other thread we have here. But that's just me. I think its important to incorporate baby aspirin to avoid such


You nailed it. Sharp pain in the chest and subsequently collapsing is a strong indicator of a heart attack. It is time we stopped putting spins on every death! People die of so many causes and it's not like every senior or well known person is taken out.


If there was a reliable ambulance system in the coounty,maybe the good general would still be alive.I read that his house is only 2km from Karen hospital, but then i wonder, why his family did not immediately rush him to hospital. Alot of ignorance from our people.


Wacha ujinga. His wife and body guards immediately rushed him to hospital after he collapsed but he was already dead when they arrived.
murchr
#98 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 5:41:38 PM
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Jump-steady wrote:
murchr wrote:
Me thinks the cause of death is Cardiac Arrest, same thing killing the footballers on the other thread we have here. But that's just me. I think its important to incorporate baby aspirin to avoid such



What is that? (google my friend)

But i am with you on your theory that a cardiac arrest could have done in the general. Wazuans may also consider the fact that advanced age, alcohol and the blue pill don't go hand in glove.


FullyKenyan wrote:
If there was a reliable ambulance system in the coounty,maybe the good general would still be alive.I read that his house is only 2km from Karen hospital, but then i wonder, why his family did not immediately rush him to hospital. Alot of ignorance from our people.


I agree with you. Ambulances are mini hospitals and offer better emergency and first aid care (CPR) that the avg mwananinchi wouldn know about. We need ambulances people, lots of them Alfie style.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Fullykenyan
#99 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 6:15:19 PM
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hardwood wrote:
Fullykenyan wrote:
Iganamagana wrote:
murchr wrote:
Me thinks the cause of death is Cardiac Arrest, same thing killing the footballers on the other thread we have here. But that's just me. I think its important to incorporate baby aspirin to avoid such


You nailed it. Sharp pain in the chest and subsequently collapsing is a strong indicator of a heart attack. It is time we stopped putting spins on every death! People die of so many causes and it's not like every senior or well known person is taken out.


If there was a reliable ambulance system in the coounty,maybe the good general would still be alive.I read that his house is only 2km from Karen hospital, but then i wonder, why his family did not immediately rush him to hospital. Alot of ignorance from our people.


Wacha ujinga. His wife and body guards immediately rushed him to hospital after he collapsed but he was already dead when they arrived.


Do you have to hurl abuses ama ni makamasi you have in your head.... i read that, the wife first called Boinett and his deputy, before deciding to take him to hospital. You just don´t die immedieately from a heart attack and the hospital being 2 km away, am sure had they reacted fast, he would be alive today... by the way Hardwood, you sound like those majamaa we used to refer to them as fala mangaa
maka
#100 Posted : Monday, July 10, 2017 7:06:38 PM
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ummmmh no evidence of foul play...
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