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Gathige wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Don't know who else has been following this but AG made his submissions yesterday. Today, it was SC Orengo's time.
But ignoring the legal acrobatics, lets attempt a sober look at this thing. I know its a bit late for sober discussions but no harm trying.
Let me give a practical example with one of my stations. Mathira constituency in Nyeri. We have three serious contenders, Peter Weru, Rigathi Gachagua and Wambui Maranga. Each has a realistic chance of winning.
Biggest polling station in mathira is called dairy office. Here each of the above guys will send his best and most trusted agent. NCCK will send its observers, ditto any international observer. The MCAs fighting for town ward, the outcome of this single station will determine who wins. I will be hovering around myself.
Presiding officer(PO) starts by tallying the presidential votes. Of course 99% go to Uhuru. The agents are more concerned with local contests. But they note the presidential tally as an indicator of turnout.
As he opens the ballot box for MP, the tension rises. If total votes cast for president was 2,100, then a variation of over 10 votes will invite trouble from the agents.
In a nutshell, the PO has almost no headroom to engage in mischief of any kind. Plus there is a very strong disincentive hanging over the PO's head. He knows he is a small fish, he is dispensable and the only thing he wants is the kidogo chums from IEBC and by September he is back to his teaching job.
The above scenario plays out across the whole country. That's why you can trust form 34 signed by a PO and witnessed by agents.
Why would anyone wan't to adjust such figures ??
I too doubt anyone would want to adjust the figures even after all the agents have confirmed and signed the whatever form. All he has to do is to send to Chebukati who will then collate for the presidential vote and declare the winner. Ama namna gani. Are we going to have situations where agents for some candidates are not allowed in some areas / stations? This is the animal in the house. If agents of all candidates will be freely allowed everywhere then form 34 suffices ...otherwise shida tupu irrespective of whether Chepkati or the constituency ROs are the ROs of the presidential vote. When I have money, I get rid of it quickly, lest it find a way into my heart.
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kingfisher wrote:Gathige wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
Don't know who else has been following this but AG made his submissions yesterday. Today, it was SC Orengo's time.
But ignoring the legal acrobatics, lets attempt a sober look at this thing. I know its a bit late for sober discussions but no harm trying.
Let me give a practical example with one of my stations. Mathira constituency in Nyeri. We have three serious contenders, Peter Weru, Rigathi Gachagua and Wambui Maranga. Each has a realistic chance of winning.
Biggest polling station in mathira is called dairy office. Here each of the above guys will send his best and most trusted agent. NCCK will send its observers, ditto any international observer. The MCAs fighting for town ward, the outcome of this single station will determine who wins. I will be hovering around myself.
Presiding officer(PO) starts by tallying the presidential votes. Of course 99% go to Uhuru. The agents are more concerned with local contests. But they note the presidential tally as an indicator of turnout.
As he opens the ballot box for MP, the tension rises. If total votes cast for president was 2,100, then a variation of over 10 votes will invite trouble from the agents.
In a nutshell, the PO has almost no headroom to engage in mischief of any kind. Plus there is a very strong disincentive hanging over the PO's head. He knows he is a small fish, he is dispensable and the only thing he wants is the kidogo chums from IEBC and by September he is back to his teaching job.
The above scenario plays out across the whole country. That's why you can trust form 34 signed by a PO and witnessed by agents.
Why would anyone wan't to adjust such figures ??
I too doubt anyone would want to adjust the figures even after all the agents have confirmed and signed the whatever form. All he has to do is to send to Chebukati who will then collate for the presidential vote and declare the winner. Ama namna gani. Are we going to have situations where agents for some candidates are not allowed in some areas / stations? This is the animal in the house. If agents of all candidates will be freely allowed everywhere then form 34 suffices ...otherwise shida tupu irrespective of whether Chepkati or the constituency ROs are the ROs of the presidential vote. We all know NASwa strongholds will be no go zones. In 2007, sadly, even police officers lost their lives in these areas on voting day. Its not laughing matter we know the entire script
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Jubilee to set up a parallel vote tallying system. This will counter any shenanigans baba and his Nazists/nasaists would be up to. By this, they will verify all votes cast. http://www.the-star.co.k...om-47-counties_c1574010
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kaka2za wrote:FRM2011 wrote:
I am also assuming most of us know the myth mostly told by our guys that there were two million people who only voted for president and no other seat is not true.
The biggest variation in votes cast for the president and other seats was in Meru county. And it was only 5,000 votes.
Back to presiding officers. In case of a dispute, a petition will almost likely result in criminal prosecution. While the IEBC commissioners are untouchable, the PO will find himself in a lot of trouble.
You mostly sound reasonably objective but you occasionally get flippant I am actually a very objective person. The 2M dead voters lie was started by Robert Alai. You know those outrageous allegations that only Alai can make. Guess what, todate no one has ever rebutted that allegation with numbers. Imagine in some jubilee counties, presidential tally was less than for governor. But for the last four years most kenyans from both sides of the divide believe there were ghost voters. Thats not to say the poll was clean. There were instances where a summision of all form 34(polling station) could not agree with what the RO at the constituency had captured in his form 36. This was actually the basis of the supreme court case. But that is now water under the bridge. In Kajiado south, Form 36 indicated Uhuru had 24,000 votes and Raila 17,500 votes. Funny numbers but only form 34 from the stations could tell us whether those were the actual votes.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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You may have missed the tone of this thread, but right now we are trying to share our thoughts on how we can have a fair and transparent process. So transparent that the loser wont bother going to court. Before you came thumping your chest, this is what @limanika had asked. "Are we going to have situations where agents for some candidates are not allowed in some areas / stations? This is the animal in the house. If agents of all candidates will be freely allowed everywhere then form 34 suffices ...otherwise shida tupu irrespective of whether Chepkati or the constituency ROs are the ROs of the presidential vote."
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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FRM2011 wrote:You may have missed the tone of this thread, but right now we are trying to share our thoughts on how we can have a fair and transparent process. So transparent that the loser wont bother going to court. Before you came thumping your chest, this is what @limanika had asked. "Are we going to have situations where agents for some candidates are not allowed in some areas / stations? This is the animal in the house. If agents of all candidates will be freely allowed everywhere then form 34 suffices ...otherwise shida tupu irrespective of whether Chepkati or the constituency ROs are the ROs of the presidential vote." The good thing is that ohuru has subchiefs, chiefs, DOs, OCS's in every corner of the country and therefore he will get accurate information about the voting at each and every polling station in the country. However perennial loser baba may not have agents in strongholds such as kamagut and ghatondo.
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My take, if the court rules that the PO form/report is official/final ..... then they will start campaign fear targeting POs that if your form is wrong then you will be own your own... small fish tingz. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Angelica _ann wrote:My take, if the court rules that the PO form/report is official/final ..... then they will start campaign fear targeting POs that if your form is wrong then you will be own your own... small fish tingz. No way PO's and RO's are going to announce presidential results...who will tally??? Whoever tallies has last word...
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Angelica _ann wrote:My take, if the court rules that the PO form/report is official/final ..... then they will start campaign fear targeting POs that if your form is wrong then you will be own your own... small fish tingz. You are one smart girl. The POs will be subjected to a campaign of fear and threats should they engage in any mischief. And the threats will be on both sides. Jubilee threatening POs in Siaya and Baba threatening the ones in Gatundu. The R.O. for the constituency will also have a hard time. Take kilifi north. Jubilee will be eagerly waiting to see whether Mung'aro has brought votes ama ni kukula pesa. So, at the jubilee tallying centre, someone will have tallied all the form 34s from Kilifi north. Should the R.O. try any monkey business, he will get into trouble right away.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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FRM2011 wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:My take, if the court rules that the PO form/report is official/final ..... then they will start campaign fear targeting POs that if your form is wrong then you will be own your own... small fish tingz. You are one smart girl. The POs will be subjected to a campaign of fear and threats should they engage in any mischief. And the threats will be on both sides. Jubilee threatening POs in Siaya and Baba threatening the ones in Gatundu. The R.O. for the constituency will also have a hard time. Take kilifi north. Jubilee will be eagerly waiting to see whether Mung'aro has brought votes ama ni kukula pesa. So, at the jubilee tallying centre, someone will have tallied all the form 34s from Kilifi north. Should the R.O. try any monkey business, he will get into trouble right away. Not quite. Highest bidder it is.
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