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Rank: Member Joined: 4/24/2012 Posts: 331 Location: Vantage point
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AlphDoti wrote:@drobos, I think you can see that the writing is on the wall. Very clear that majority of the people are NOT righteous. They just pretend on Sunday, but Monday to Sat, they engage in all manner of things opposite to what they pretend to be on Sunday. Even Jacob Zuma himself wonders I'm in complete agreement with your sentiments. Some of us kenyans have their conscience completely seared and have a perverted interpretation of righteousness. Lakini kiboko imotoni na inakuja for sure. No way people will continue in this kind of wickedness. If punishment doesn't come then God will have to apologies to Sodom & Gomorrah for their affliction which will be impossible.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Rahatupu wrote:IMHO the teeth were removed from any serious enforcement agencies by the constitution whereby bail is a right. How do I fear arrest when I know I'll bail myself out with millions 9f tax payer money? How comes bail is not a right in the countries we benchmarked with for the constitution? How do you fight corruption networks when they roam free with all their loot? Just watch how the Akashas are bound in chains in NY courtrooms. Hapa even arrest is barred by courts.....all in the name of rights. In the meantime the drama continues I totally agree with you. In that country that we copied the constitution from, a Kabura like person would be serving her sentence and Murkomen would be out of office roaming in the corridors of justice.. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Swenani wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Swenani wrote:Rahatupu wrote:IMHO the teeth were removed from any serious enforcement agencies by the constitution whereby bail is a right. How do I fear arrest when I know I'll bail myself out with millions 9f tax payer money? How comes bail is not a right in the countries we benchmarked with for the constitution? How do you fight corruption networks when they roam free with all their loot? Just watch how the Akashas are bound in chains in NY courtrooms. Hapa even arrest is barred by courts.....all in the name of rights. In the meantime the drama continues We should stop blaming our inefficiencies and unethical ways to institutions and constitution @swenani, our constitution is founded as if all criminality is political hence leniency towards suspects. I appreciate that there are serious inefficiencies in as far as enforcement is concerned. However,the lenient laws are an avenue to the abuse of the law itself. You lost me there, e.g? Our constitution is a reactionary one. Seeking to banish the evils of previous regimes and cure ills such as detention without trial, the drafters saw it wise (sic) that bail be a right for all and sundry.....including suspects of treason, terrorism, economic saboteurs, murderers...... just where else do they free drug lords on bail? Where are terror suspects offered lenient bail terms? Where do you find drug lords and murder suspects roaming free on bail? Yet when they are sorted by citizens (sic) we appeal for respect of the law? I posit the constitution is founded to serve the political elites and Wanjiku is just a coincidental beneficiary.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Drobos fly wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@drobos, I think you can see that the writing is on the wall. Very clear that majority of the people are NOT righteous. They just pretend on Sunday, but Monday to Sat, they engage in all manner of things opposite to what they pretend to be on Sunday. Even Jacob Zuma himself wonders I'm in complete agreement with your sentiments. Some of us kenyans have their conscience completely seared and have a perverted interpretation of righteousness. Lakini kiboko imotoni na inakuja for sure. No way people will continue in this kind of wickedness. If punishment doesn't come then God will have to apologies to Sodom & Gomorrah for their affliction which will be impossible.  we had this discussion before! masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:warning-graphic videos Oh SA,the Killer of Africa. I strongly believe you have attracted God's wrath. Please Wait for it. Is there evidence that those who commit 'genocide' for example, attract God's wrath? What is the tipping point for this wrath? 5people? As far as I know the attacks have killed less people than any Al shabab attack even those za mandera. So my question is.. Is it that that the more gruesome murders (decapitation, burning alive.. Killing children) attacks invite God's wrath more than the +100k in Syria or Afghanistan or some random place on the globe? Just because you are shocked and horrified does not mean God is.  In 2007 we killed over 1,000 people and we didnt attract the wrath of God, sembuse watu 8? Do you know for sure, that we didn't attract God's wrath? Perhaps we need to define the wrath if God first...World war 2 killed 70 million people. Wrath ilikuja? Kama haikuja ni 100k wa syria, ni ISIS, 1000 people wa PEV or 8people wa xenophobia attacks? Good point. What is it? perhaps... it's crazy prosperity... think about the axis of evil guys Germans and Japanese.... maybe good times are coming to Syria, South Africa, Boko Haram and Al Shabab. What if this 'crazy prosperity' is a tiny fraction of total potential and comes at an incredible cost? so he is the deal... we tend to think of ourselves as those who have not faced the wrath of God yet - right? and our state is X. we know that the Wrath of God is unleashed upon you when you do certain atrocities and since history is the best teacher - we take a glimpse at societies that were at X and committed these atrocities and if for sure the wrath of God was unleashed we need to measure the displacement of these societies from X to where they are now i.e. Y. Y - X should be the measure of the wrath of God on a people. in the case of the Axis of Evil... it seems like Y-X is a positive value. but perhaps our assumption is wrong... I think its because there are a number of explanations 1) That the displacement is not due to the wrath of God but inspite of... i.e. the Wrath (W) was unleashed and that what we are actually seeing is Y- (X + W) 2) The wrath is still to come and so south africans will need to wait for around 60+ years after the wrath hits europe. so they can time themselves 3) maybe there is no wrath! Naona Sodom na Gommorah wakiombwa msamaha!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Tribal affiliation is the main determinant of how Kenyans vote. Unless we start voting on issues like corruption, nothing will change.
All the president needs to do to win an election is is to mobilize tribal blocs. And if that does not work then ballot stuffing.
Why would a president bother fighting corruption if he knows its not gonna get him votes?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Alba wrote:Tribal affiliation is the main determinant of how Kenyans vote. Unless we start voting on issues like corruption, nothing will change.
All the president needs to do to win an election is is to mobilize tribal blocs. And if that does not work then ballot stuffing.
Why would a president bother fighting corruption if he knows its not gonna get him votes? Voting will take you nowhere. Drain the swamp. Make a revolution if you can,Cuba or China style. Else you're shorted as the system is rigged for elites in whatever format to thrive as the masses suffer.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/27/2012 Posts: 2,256 Location: Bandalungwa
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Rahatupu wrote:Alba wrote:Tribal affiliation is the main determinant of how Kenyans vote. Unless we start voting on issues like corruption, nothing will change.
All the president needs to do to win an election is is to mobilize tribal blocs. And if that does not work then ballot stuffing.
Why would a president bother fighting corruption if he knows its not gonna get him votes? Voting will take you nowhere. Drain the swamp. Make a revolution if you can,Cuba or China style. Else you're shorted as the system is rigged for elites in whatever format to thrive as the masses suffer. Revolution in Kenya? This is a non-starter. People are too blinded by tribal affiliation.
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Rank: Member Joined: 4/24/2012 Posts: 331 Location: Vantage point
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masukuma wrote:Drobos fly wrote:AlphDoti wrote:@drobos, I think you can see that the writing is on the wall. Very clear that majority of the people are NOT righteous. They just pretend on Sunday, but Monday to Sat, they engage in all manner of things opposite to what they pretend to be on Sunday. Even Jacob Zuma himself wonders I'm in complete agreement with your sentiments. Some of us kenyans have their conscience completely seared and have a perverted interpretation of righteousness. Lakini kiboko imotoni na inakuja for sure. No way people will continue in this kind of wickedness. If punishment doesn't come then God will have to apologies to Sodom & Gomorrah for their affliction which will be impossible. we had this discussion before! masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:Muriel wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:Swenani wrote:masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:kysse wrote:warning-graphic videos Oh SA,the Killer of Africa. I strongly believe you have attracted God's wrath. Please Wait for it. Is there evidence that those who commit 'genocide' for example, attract God's wrath? What is the tipping point for this wrath? 5people? As far as I know the attacks have killed less people than any Al shabab attack even those za mandera. So my question is.. Is it that that the more gruesome murders (decapitation, burning alive.. Killing children) attacks invite God's wrath more than the +100k in Syria or Afghanistan or some random place on the globe? Just because you are shocked and horrified does not mean God is. In 2007 we killed over 1,000 people and we didnt attract the wrath of God, sembuse watu 8? Do you know for sure, that we didn't attract God's wrath? Perhaps we need to define the wrath if God first...World war 2 killed 70 million people. Wrath ilikuja? Kama haikuja ni 100k wa syria, ni ISIS, 1000 people wa PEV or 8people wa xenophobia attacks? Good point. What is it? perhaps... it's crazy prosperity... think about the axis of evil guys Germans and Japanese.... maybe good times are coming to Syria, South Africa, Boko Haram and Al Shabab. What if this 'crazy prosperity' is a tiny fraction of total potential and comes at an incredible cost? so he is the deal... we tend to think of ourselves as those who have not faced the wrath of God yet - right? and our state is X. we know that the Wrath of God is unleashed upon you when you do certain atrocities and since history is the best teacher - we take a glimpse at societies that were at X and committed these atrocities and if for sure the wrath of God was unleashed we need to measure the displacement of these societies from X to where they are now i.e. Y. Y - X should be the measure of the wrath of God on a people. in the case of the Axis of Evil... it seems like Y-X is a positive value. but perhaps our assumption is wrong... I think its because there are a number of explanations 1) That the displacement is not due to the wrath of God but inspite of... i.e. the Wrath (W) was unleashed and that what we are actually seeing is Y- (X + W) 2) The wrath is still to come and so south africans will need to wait for around 60+ years after the wrath hits europe. so they can time themselves 3) maybe there is no wrath! Naona Sodom na Gommorah wakiombwa msamaha!! Okay, I've just followed those quotes, sawa I can see you guys really got into it. All I can add is, God's wrath doesn't always come with immediate judgement that causes death. A good example is the plagues in Egypt at the time of Moses against Pharaoh, another example is the bowls of the wrath of God in the very last days. Some will be plagued with incurable diseases (Cancer, ghastly sores, rare incurable syndromes, AIDS, Ulcers). Another judgement is calamities and catastrophes of incredible magnitude like Richter scale 10 earthquakes, Tsunamis, Severe and extreme famines, storms and floods, drought and the temperature of the Sun here on earth reaching astronomical highs never recorded in the history of humanity. Another judgement is failed economies, hard biting poverty, squandered resources, decade long family property wrangles, bareness of the womb, land and profession, a difficult crime wave, lack of vision. Some of these judgements have already happened and some are yet to & must come
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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Alba wrote:Rahatupu wrote:Alba wrote:Tribal affiliation is the main determinant of how Kenyans vote. Unless we start voting on issues like corruption, nothing will change.
All the president needs to do to win an election is is to mobilize tribal blocs. And if that does not work then ballot stuffing.
Why would a president bother fighting corruption if he knows its not gonna get him votes? Voting will take you nowhere. Drain the swamp. Make a revolution if you can,Cuba or China style. Else you're shorted as the system is rigged for elites in whatever format to thrive as the masses suffer. Revolution in Kenya? This is a non-starter. People are too blinded by tribal affiliation. Che Guevara himself couldn't fathom what ails Africans with kinship affiliations. But the thing is we have too many of our people still strapped in the idiocy of rural life. Even the ones in towns are still villagers inside schooling not withstanding. Now until the material conditions are ripe Africans will always put kinship (my family, clan, villagers, tribesman, etc) before country which is an artificial edifice of our colonial masters. @alba, yapping about tribalism is like wishing it away. Take up your political history and political economy books. Read. Get out of your comfort chair and agitate the masses for a people's revolt. It can be done.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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The problem has never been paucity of laws. Rather paucity of enforcement.
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