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murchr
#41 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 5:51:48 PM
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githundi wrote:
murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
@Masukuma, on occasion you pick the wrong side of a position then die with it.

Ngunyi was contracted by NYS at an agreed fee, he performed the services and was overpaid, he decided to keep quiet about it pretending that he had not noticed. Yes he is a thief.

Its like a shop keeper who does not call you back when you forget to collect your change while he is holding it. Mwizi.

Its definitely not same as someone you don't know making a deposit to your bank account or Mpesa account.

P.S. I have called once to return some misrouted Mpesa.

yes... it's not his job to send back money! ukiwacha change kwa duka don't blame the shopkeeper for your mistake. this world is full of people who think because they are good that everyone else should be like them. mwizi huiba... do your job well and don't be careless expecting others to do it for you and being unhappy or even condemn them for not . human beings have lapses but don't walk around like society owes you squat! kila mtu alijileta Nairobi boss.... if it's theft - can you send them to the cops for it? will they be jailed because they were overpaid? NO! of course not!! so it's not theft - you just are offended and equate it to theft but you know it's not.


Those who sit watching what payments are getting into their accounts have very little to do. Well maybe its the salary syndrome. If you expect money from various sources keeping up with extra payments is a tall order. Why is no one blaming the one who wrote the 2 checks?

@Muchr, it's like a case of a person who gives a bribe and the one who takes the bribe, who is not to blame?


A bribe is different. The giver and taker are in it together.

This is a case where a merchant wrote an invoice for services offered and a payment was made. Then the payer made another payment later...with no request. Why? Against what invoice was this payer making his payment. We cant give excuses for incompetence. How many more "mistakes" of this nature have been made? Were it not for the audit, would we know?

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masukuma
#42 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 6:37:35 PM
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People miss the point of all this discussion.... YOU ARE NOT COMPELLED TO DO ANYTHING FOR RANDOM STRANGERS and THE STRANGERS SHOULD NOT EXPECT YOU TO DO THAT. Pesa ikiingia - correct your mistake.... piga simu and appeal to my good side. I am not a public body my actions are strictly to my benefit unless i (not you) choose otherwise. For the bribe - the bribe taker has a job that has been entrusted to him and is paid for it and they chose not to do it and uses that as an opportunity to get some more money <--- I never understand why they even arrest the bribe giver.
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Taurrus
#43 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 6:46:42 PM
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What disturbs me most is NOT the double payment BUT Mutahi in his own wisdom has come OUT clearly to say that he doesn't KNOW how he got the JOB/TENDER in the first place!
Was it a random selection and if so why? Any precedent?
sitaki.kujulikana
#44 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 7:03:38 PM
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Taurrus wrote:
What disturbs me most is NOT the double payment BUT Mutahi in his own wisdom has come OUT clearly to say that he doesn't KNOW how he got the JOB/TENDER in the first place!
Was it a random selection and if so why? Any precedent?

I agree, aside form the issue of someone depositing money in your account smile and whether you should go out of your way to locate and return or the one who made the mistake should kindly request the same, I never thought gunyi would be in the position he is in,

But you would be surprised by the people who do government hustles, some I thought were respectable business guys who use capital to create value, lakini wapi guys just quote for some crazy services to government and get paid crazy sums,

binadamu ni nguo
masukuma
#45 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 7:54:42 PM
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Taurrus wrote:
What disturbs me most is NOT the double payment BUT Mutahi in his own wisdom has come OUT clearly to say that he doesn't KNOW how he got the JOB/TENDER in the first place!
Was it a random selection and if so why? Any precedent?

you know... ukiambiwa ukuje ufanye kazi - utaanza kuuliza kama wengine walipatiwa nafasi ya kufanya hiyo job? yeye hana makosa.... makosa ni ya yule aliye muitia job. he/she has the explanation to do. Safaricom does not ask people who walk into it's door steps to give them money if they have assessed all the market options and are sure that they are making the right choice. the show up and put money on your face - you take it... ulianzisha kampuni kupata pesa sio kufanya serikali ifuate sheria zake.
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Alba
#46 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 8:34:02 PM
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:
@Masukuma, on occasion you pick the wrong side of a position then die with it.

Ngunyi was contracted by NYS at an agreed fee, he performed the services and was overpaid, he decided to keep quiet about it pretending that he had not noticed. Yes he is a thief.

Its like a shop keeper who does not call you back when you forget to collect your change while he is holding it. Mwizi.

Its definitely not same as someone you don't know making a deposit to your bank account or Mpesa account.

P.S. I have called once to return some misrouted Mpesa.


Why are you saying "On occassion"
Masukuma almost always picks the wrong side of issues then becomes stubborn about it and defends it with some very twisted logic.

I mean everyone hear knows Mutahi Ngunyi is a thief. In a civilized society, this should not even be debatable. But too many people are overwhelmed by tribal sycophancy such that they refuse to think logically.
Taurrus
#47 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 8:34:20 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
What disturbs me most is NOT the double payment BUT Mutahi in his own wisdom has come OUT clearly to say that he doesn't KNOW how he got the JOB/TENDER in the first place!
Was it a random selection and if so why? Any precedent?

you know... ukiambiwa ukuje ufanye kazi - utaanza kuuliza kama wengine walipatiwa nafasi ya kufanya hiyo job? yeye hana makosa.... makosa ni ya yule aliye muitia job. he/she has the explanation to do. Safaricom does not ask people who walk into it's door steps to give them money if they have assessed all the market options and are sure that they are making the right choice. the show up and put money on your face - you take it... ulianzisha kampuni kupata pesa sio kufanya serikali ifuate sheria zake.


Good! so in this case he is NOT part and parcel of whatever this is since I have no name for it[Theft..,kutuma mpesa kwa wrong number, lipa na mpesa kwa wrong till or kuweka pesa kwa wallet..].
Now I ask is holding stolen property/money and being part of a scam NOT a punishable crime?
masukuma
#48 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 9:08:58 PM
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Taurrus wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
What disturbs me most is NOT the double payment BUT Mutahi in his own wisdom has come OUT clearly to say that he doesn't KNOW how he got the JOB/TENDER in the first place!
Was it a random selection and if so why? Any precedent?

you know... ukiambiwa ukuje ufanye kazi - utaanza kuuliza kama wengine walipatiwa nafasi ya kufanya hiyo job? yeye hana makosa.... makosa ni ya yule aliye muitia job. he/she has the explanation to do. Safaricom does not ask people who walk into it's door steps to give them money if they have assessed all the market options and are sure that they are making the right choice. the show up and put money on your face - you take it... ulianzisha kampuni kupata pesa sio kufanya serikali ifuate sheria zake.


Good! so in this case he is NOT part and parcel of whatever this is since I have no name for it[Theft..,kutuma mpesa kwa wrong number, lipa na mpesa kwa wrong till or kuweka pesa kwa wallet..].
Now I ask is holding stolen property/money and being part of a scam NOT a punishable crime?

Handling stolen property/cash is a crime - he did not handle it. They procured a service from him. He quoted, received a purchase order, he delivered goods. got sign off. Someone thought the snake oil he was selling was worth 18m (or whatever money it was). There is no theft in that case - you just need to draw a dotted line between the procuring officer who signed the contract procuring the service and Ngunyi and back. Bila hiyo - being approached to solve a problem is not a crime. Charging for the said services is not a crime. Someone deciding to send money to his account is not a crime on his part. it's a private company and he is a private individual. is it immoral (could be)... is it illegal? NO! the only case that can be raised against a supplier is if he did not deliver what he was contracted to deliver. if he promised X and delivered Y and got paid for X - then he is in trouble for misrepresentation.
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murchr
#49 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 10:27:21 PM
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Taurrus wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Taurrus wrote:
What disturbs me most is NOT the double payment BUT Mutahi in his own wisdom has come OUT clearly to say that he doesn't KNOW how he got the JOB/TENDER in the first place!
Was it a random selection and if so why? Any precedent?

you know... ukiambiwa ukuje ufanye kazi - utaanza kuuliza kama wengine walipatiwa nafasi ya kufanya hiyo job? yeye hana makosa.... makosa ni ya yule aliye muitia job. he/she has the explanation to do. Safaricom does not ask people who walk into it's door steps to give them money if they have assessed all the market options and are sure that they are making the right choice. the show up and put money on your face - you take it... ulianzisha kampuni kupata pesa sio kufanya serikali ifuate sheria zake.


Good! so in this case he is NOT part and parcel of whatever this is since I have no name for it[Theft..,kutuma mpesa kwa wrong number, lipa na mpesa kwa wrong till or kuweka pesa kwa wallet..].
Now I ask is holding stolen property/money and being part of a scam NOT a punishable crime?


You have to prove that I stole that money this is the legal definition of stealing

"Theft, in law, a general term covering a variety of specific types of stealing, including the crimes of larceny, robbery, and burglary. Theft is defined as the physical removal of an object that is capable of being stolen without the consent of the owner and with the intention of depriving the owner of it permanently."
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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hardwood
#50 Posted : Friday, September 23, 2016 10:44:31 PM
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Strange that no one is talking about Angela Angwenyi's >300m payment. Sad that everyone is fixated on Mutahi's paltry 12m. Sad that no one is mentioning that parliament has stopped payment of >200m to her after she was paid 90m. Strange that hii ya Ngunyi 12m is all we are interested about. At least Mutahi was paid 90m to reform NYS, hii >300m ya Angwenyi was for what? The noise regarding Prof Mutahi Ngunyi ni ukabila ama nini?

http://nairobinews.natio...o-queen-angela-angwenyi/
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