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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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streetwise wrote:Matters of truth be told. The Government must protect the ignorant and naïve citizens from Conmen who come in the name of God.
This is a sensitive subject but we need to be all sober to the fact that most of these churches are houses of trade not of worship.
Says who? Tithing and giving is bibilical! I remember a certain song by Jemimah Thiongo... UMBEA!! she asks... at what point will the government become become a bible interpreter? Who can interpret the bible for others? Who is this authority? Remembering that the reason we have all these churches stems from interpretation differences? Hii ni live wire!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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masukuma wrote:streetwise wrote:Matters of truth be told. The Government must protect the ignorant and naïve citizens from Conmen who come in the name of God.
This is a sensitive subject but we need to be all sober to the fact that most of these churches are houses of trade not of worship.
Says who? Tithing and giving is bibilical! I remember a certain song by Jemimah Thiongo... UMBEA!! she asks... at what point will the government become become a bible interpreter? Who can interpret the bible for others? Who is this authority? Remembering that the reason we have all these churches stems from interpretation differences? Hii ni live wire!! Gava's role is to educate the masses, but the choices and consequences are for the individual  Formal education will make you a living. Self-education will make you a fortune - Jim Rohn.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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alma1 wrote:streetwise wrote:Matters of truth be told. The Government must protect the ignorant and naïve citizens from Conmen who come in the name of God.
This is a sensitive subject but we need to be all sober to the fact that most of these churches are houses of trade not of worship.
Please indulge us in sobriety. Name one. I think all churches are houses of trade, maybe bar prophet oduor, who I hear does not take offerings. You go to church and the church asks for your money in exchange for whatever they offer, either ogling at the beautiful pastor, or for that nice spiritual feeling, or for the networking, or for accepting your confessions, or as a platform for showing others what a beautiful family one has, or for the pastor predicting your future. as long as the trade practices are within the laws of the land, then no problem.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:alma1 wrote:streetwise wrote:Matters of truth be told. The Government must protect the ignorant and naïve citizens from Conmen who come in the name of God.
This is a sensitive subject but we need to be all sober to the fact that most of these churches are houses of trade not of worship.
Please indulge us in sobriety. Name one. I think all churches are houses of trade, maybe bar prophet oduor, who I hear does not take offerings. You go to church and the church asks for your money in exchange for whatever they offer, either ogling at the beautiful pastor, or for that nice spiritual feeling, or for the networking, or for accepting your confessions, or as a platform for showing others what a beautiful family one has, or for the pastor predicting your future. as long as the trade practices are within the laws of the land, then no problem. NONSENSE! People give because they want to. You can always leave 1 church for another kama hautaki. Simple.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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streetwise wrote:Matters of truth be told. The Government must protect the ignorant and naïve citizens from Conmen who come in the name of God.
This is a sensitive subject but we need to be all sober to the fact that most of these churches are houses of trade not of worship.
Where do you draw the line? Is it only the panda mbegu crowd being fleeced, or should the govt also protect the 'ignorant and naive' middle class who give away their money to celebrity pastors who end up building private mansions in runda and increasing their collection of range rovers, BMWs and Harley-Davidsons?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Othelo wrote:masukuma wrote:streetwise wrote:Matters of truth be told. The Government must protect the ignorant and naïve citizens from Conmen who come in the name of God.
This is a sensitive subject but we need to be all sober to the fact that most of these churches are houses of trade not of worship.
Says who? Tithing and giving is bibilical! I remember a certain song by Jemimah Thiongo... UMBEA!! she asks... at what point will the government become become a bible interpreter? Who can interpret the bible for others? Who is this authority? Remembering that the reason we have all these churches stems from interpretation differences? Hii ni live wire!! Gava's role is to educate the masses, but the choices and consequences are for the individual the government does not understand theology, how will it educate the masses, either way even if they did the church would say the government is interfering with religion.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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Lolest! wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:alma1 wrote:streetwise wrote:Matters of truth be told. The Government must protect the ignorant and naïve citizens from Conmen who come in the name of God.
This is a sensitive subject but we need to be all sober to the fact that most of these churches are houses of trade not of worship.
Please indulge us in sobriety. Name one. I think all churches are houses of trade, maybe bar prophet oduor, who I hear does not take offerings. You go to church and the church asks for your money in exchange for whatever they offer, either ogling at the beautiful pastor, or for that nice spiritual feeling, or for the networking, or for accepting your confessions, or as a platform for showing others what a beautiful family one has, or for the pastor predicting your future. as long as the trade practices are within the laws of the land, then no problem. NONSENSE! People give because they want to. You can always leave 1 church for another kama hautaki. Simple. sasa matusi ni ya nini, you go to church because you have a certain need, whichever the need maybe, that's why you pay because you are getting something in return, otherwise if you did not have a need you would not go to church. its not about just wanting otherwise you would randomly be going around places of worship including mosques and temples giving.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Lolest! wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:alma1 wrote:streetwise wrote:Matters of truth be told. The Government must protect the ignorant and naïve citizens from Conmen who come in the name of God.
This is a sensitive subject but we need to be all sober to the fact that most of these churches are houses of trade not of worship.
Please indulge us in sobriety. Name one. I think all churches are houses of trade, maybe bar prophet oduor, who I hear does not take offerings. You go to church and the church asks for your money in exchange for whatever they offer, either ogling at the beautiful pastor, or for that nice spiritual feeling, or for the networking, or for accepting your confessions, or as a platform for showing others what a beautiful family one has, or for the pastor predicting your future. as long as the trade practices are within the laws of the land, then no problem. NONSENSE! People give because they want to. You can always leave 1 church for another kama hautaki. Simple. sasa matusi ni ya nini, you go to church because you have a certain need, whichever the need maybe, that's why you pay because you are getting something in return, otherwise if you did not have a need you would not go to church. its not about just wanting otherwise you would randomly be going around places of worship including mosques and temples giving. sorry but your assertion still wrong. nobody compels you to give. Kuingia na kutoka church is free. no usher follows up with waiter like impatience. If you dont feel like kutoa, just attend and leave every service
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Lolest! wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:alma1 wrote:streetwise wrote:Matters of truth be told. The Government must protect the ignorant and naïve citizens from Conmen who come in the name of God.
This is a sensitive subject but we need to be all sober to the fact that most of these churches are houses of trade not of worship.
Please indulge us in sobriety. Name one. I think all churches are houses of trade, maybe bar prophet oduor, who I hear does not take offerings. You go to church and the church asks for your money in exchange for whatever they offer, either ogling at the beautiful pastor, or for that nice spiritual feeling, or for the networking, or for accepting your confessions, or as a platform for showing others what a beautiful family one has, or for the pastor predicting your future. as long as the trade practices are within the laws of the land, then no problem. NONSENSE! People give because they want to. You can always leave 1 church for another kama hautaki. Simple. sasa matusi ni ya nini, you go to church because you have a certain need, whichever the need maybe, that's why you pay because you are getting something in return, otherwise if you did not have a need you would not go to church. its not about just wanting otherwise you would randomly be going around places of worship including mosques and temples giving. umewahi patiwa reciept? YOU DON'T PAY!! YOU GIVE!! IN THE SAME WAY YOU GIVE A BEGGAR OR YOUR RELATIVE... The pastor says... GIVE... not PAY... and it's brilliant... GIVE ME MONEY NOW! AND GOD WHO I HAVE TALKED TO WILL GIVE YOU YOURS LATER...(terms and conditions apply) All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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masukuma wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Lolest! wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:alma1 wrote:streetwise wrote:Matters of truth be told. The Government must protect the ignorant and naïve citizens from Conmen who come in the name of God.
This is a sensitive subject but we need to be all sober to the fact that most of these churches are houses of trade not of worship.
Please indulge us in sobriety. Name one. I think all churches are houses of trade, maybe bar prophet oduor, who I hear does not take offerings. You go to church and the church asks for your money in exchange for whatever they offer, either ogling at the beautiful pastor, or for that nice spiritual feeling, or for the networking, or for accepting your confessions, or as a platform for showing others what a beautiful family one has, or for the pastor predicting your future. as long as the trade practices are within the laws of the land, then no problem. NONSENSE! People give because they want to. You can always leave 1 church for another kama hautaki. Simple. sasa matusi ni ya nini, you go to church because you have a certain need, whichever the need maybe, that's why you pay because you are getting something in return, otherwise if you did not have a need you would not go to church. its not about just wanting otherwise you would randomly be going around places of worship including mosques and temples giving. umewahi patiwa reciept? YOU DON'T PAY!! YOU GIVE!! IN THE SAME WAY YOU GIVE A BEGGAR OR YOUR RELATIVE... The pastor says... GIVE... not PAY... and it's brilliant... GIVE ME MONEY NOW! AND GOD WHO I HAVE TALKED TO WILL GIVE YOU YOURS LATER...(terms and conditions apply) And as Bishop Wanjiro used to say "the more you give, the more you receive", amen.
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