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Making the Ugali Machine
hardwood
#41 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 9:17:35 AM
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majimaji wrote:

I have a design concept. Take a concrete mixer and scale it down to the size of a sufuria, connect a heating element...


Or the dough makers in bakeries. They could be customised to make ugali. And there's a huge market in hotels, schools, colleges and hospitals etc.

There are also domestic chapati dough makers that could be converted to make ugali by incorporating a heat source.

www.google.com/search?q=...qIkcb_jsgCFcw3FAod3psDEQ
masukuma
#42 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 11:53:26 AM
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Of course no one will make it simply because no one really needs it... We would want it but no one really needs it. It's like vitamin pills... Everyone agrees they are great... But a smaller percent takes them. What you need in a market this small is to establish a real pain. Make a painkiller not an idea people think is good but are unwilling to fork out real money.
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murchr
#43 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 2:31:04 PM
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masukuma wrote:
Of course no one will make it simply because no one really needs it... We would want it but no one really needs it. It's like vitamin pills... Everyone agrees they are great... But a smaller percent takes them. What you need in a market this small is to establish a real pain. Make a painkiller not an idea people think is good but are unwilling to fork out real money.


I think you are talking about yourself now. If you dont take vitamin pills, it doesn't mean that theres no need for them. The vitamins business in the US is a $20+B business and that doesn't mean that the trend will not catch up with the rest of the world....I refer you back to Steve Jobs, the greatest innovator.

If anyone is thinking of making one, they can go ahead, i will be the first buyer.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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sitaki.kujulikana
#44 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 2:54:41 PM
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murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Of course no one will make it simply because no one really needs it... We would want it but no one really needs it. It's like vitamin pills... Everyone agrees they are great... But a smaller percent takes them. What you need in a market this small is to establish a real pain. Make a painkiller not an idea people think is good but are unwilling to fork out real money.


I think you are talking about yourself now. If you dont take vitamin pills, it doesn't mean that theres no need for them. The vitamins business in the US is a $20+B business and that doesn't mean that the trend will not catch up with the rest of the world....I refer you back to Steve Jobs, the greatest innovator.

If anyone is thinking of making one, they can go ahead, i will be the first buyer.

Our love for things western means we never get to try out stuff, unless a muzungu makes the thing (and if at all it will be made its the musings who will do it), I mean all those roi do not add up, the financial sense is not present since the population is poor and no one will buy the thing.

But come to think of it, if only we took some time to study our backyards then come up with relevant curriculum based on the same instead of copy pasting what akina mit have, then maybe the engineers might have seen sense. But for now they are busy trying to come up with a new m-farmer app.
masukuma
#45 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 2:57:59 PM
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murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Of course no one will make it simply because no one really needs it... We would want it but no one really needs it. It's like vitamin pills... Everyone agrees they are great... But a smaller percent takes them. What you need in a market this small is to establish a real pain. Make a painkiller not an idea people think is good but are unwilling to fork out real money.


I think you are talking about yourself now. If you dont take vitamin pills, it doesn't mean that theres no need for them. The vitamins business in the US is a $20+B business and that doesn't mean that the trend will not catch up with the rest of the world....I refer you back to Steve Jobs, the greatest innovator.

If anyone is thinking of making one, they can go ahead, i will be the first buyer.

You know - colic medicine are billion Dollar industries - that don't even cure colic. new parents will try anything to keep their sanity. Vitamins are also billion dollar industries. the difference is... for you the guy making the vitamin - will you be in business long enough for it to grow to be it's true market size? I am sure most parents know about or have bought 'Bonisan'! The analogy is to show you even while the potential of the market is big - if there is no pain involved - it will take a while to grow that market and especially if it's in the poorest of the poor section of this planet. A small boy does not take on a market that will develop 10 years away... that is the difference between you (the ugali maker) and Apple (which created a precursor of the iPad called the Newton like in 1987). Do you have the lasting power to wait to see if ugali makers will be big enough? So - @Muchr, at what price are you willing to buy the Ugali maker?
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
masukuma
#46 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 3:00:02 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Of course no one will make it simply because no one really needs it... We would want it but no one really needs it. It's like vitamin pills... Everyone agrees they are great... But a smaller percent takes them. What you need in a market this small is to establish a real pain. Make a painkiller not an idea people think is good but are unwilling to fork out real money.


I think you are talking about yourself now. If you dont take vitamin pills, it doesn't mean that theres no need for them. The vitamins business in the US is a $20+B business and that doesn't mean that the trend will not catch up with the rest of the world....I refer you back to Steve Jobs, the greatest innovator.

If anyone is thinking of making one, they can go ahead, i will be the first buyer.

Our love for things western means we never get to try out stuff, unless a muzungu makes the thing (and if at all it will be made its the musings who will do it), I mean all those roi do not add up, the financial sense is not present since the population is poor and no one will buy the thing.

But come to think of it, if only we took some time to study our backyards then come up with relevant curriculum based on the same instead of copy pasting what akina mit have, then maybe the engineers might have seen sense. But for now they are busy trying to come up with a new m-farmer app.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly I know - right? Ma m-vitu ni mob! all of them using USSD... Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
tycho
#47 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 3:02:59 PM
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:
murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Of course no one will make it simply because no one really needs it... We would want it but no one really needs it. It's like vitamin pills... Everyone agrees they are great... But a smaller percent takes them. What you need in a market this small is to establish a real pain. Make a painkiller not an idea people think is good but are unwilling to fork out real money.


I think you are talking about yourself now. If you dont take vitamin pills, it doesn't mean that theres no need for them. The vitamins business in the US is a $20+B business and that doesn't mean that the trend will not catch up with the rest of the world....I refer you back to Steve Jobs, the greatest innovator.

If anyone is thinking of making one, they can go ahead, i will be the first buyer.

Our love for things western means we never get to try out stuff, unless a muzungu makes the thing (and if at all it will be made its the musings who will do it), I mean all those roi do not add up, the financial sense is not present since the population is poor and no one will buy the thing.

But come to think of it, if only we took some time to study our backyards then come up with relevant curriculum based on the same instead of copy pasting what akina mit have, then maybe the engineers might have seen sense. But for now they are busy trying to come up with a new m-farmer app.


There are product design and implementation procedures that make innovation easier. It's when such procedures are followed that we can identify what to make and when at minimal risk and more gain.
masukuma
#48 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 3:34:05 PM
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tycho wrote:

There are product design and implementation procedures that make innovation easier. It's when such procedures are followed that we can identify what to make and when at minimal risk and more gain.

One would be... go to @muchr and tell him - I want to make an ugali making machine! I want you to commit X dollars for it! I want you to give that guy (pointing at @tycho) X dollars to keep in escrow! if @Muchr and 100k others take up your offer (kickstarter style) - you are in business! But if your strategy is to build it, brand it, ship it and they will come.... you will not be in business for very long! As some wise guy once said - "Build it and they will come," is not a strategy; it's a prayer!!!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
murchr
#49 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 4:49:08 PM
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masukuma wrote:
murchr wrote:
masukuma wrote:
Of course no one will make it simply because no one really needs it... We would want it but no one really needs it. It's like vitamin pills... Everyone agrees they are great... But a smaller percent takes them. What you need in a market this small is to establish a real pain. Make a painkiller not an idea people think is good but are unwilling to fork out real money.


I think you are talking about yourself now. If you dont take vitamin pills, it doesn't mean that theres no need for them. The vitamins business in the US is a $20+B business and that doesn't mean that the trend will not catch up with the rest of the world....I refer you back to Steve Jobs, the greatest innovator.

If anyone is thinking of making one, they can go ahead, i will be the first buyer.

You know - colic medicine are billion Dollar industries - that don't even cure colic. new parents will try anything to keep their sanity. Vitamins are also billion dollar industries. the difference is... for you the guy making the vitamin - will you be in business long enough for it to grow to be it's true market size? I am sure most parents know about or have bought 'Bonisan'! The analogy is to show you even while the potential of the market is big - if there is no pain involved - it will take a while to grow that market and especially if it's in the poorest of the poor section of this planet. A small boy does not take on a market that will develop 10 years away... that is the difference between you (the ugali maker) and Apple (which created a precursor of the iPad called the Newton like in 1987). Do you have the lasting power to wait to see if ugali makers will be big enough? So - @Muchr, at what price are you willing to buy the Ugali maker?


Yes, I gave you numbers earlier, there is a population of over 130M+ East Africans who eat Ugali almost daily and more are born everyday. (why is Unga such a big deal) The Ugali maker market is/will be present as long as Ugali eaters live.

The vitamins(colic and anything else really) market will be present as long as those mothers keep giving birth. And for vitamins - as long as the population will keep on getting informed.

The problem with you and those of your ilk, is analysis of paralysis. When Steve Jobs went forth with his plan of the Ipad he just saw what the Ipad could do, sold the idea and people bought into it. The price of IPAD 1 was about 80+K did it fail?

Let that Ugali maker throw in a price of his innovation, if it can save me the hustle of cooking Ugali and you know how involving that can get(but I guess your wife does it so you may have forgotten)....I WILL buy it without even blinking. Remember there's a difference btn price and value.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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masukuma
#50 Posted : Thursday, September 24, 2015 5:21:34 PM
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murchr wrote:


Yes, I gave you numbers earlier, there is a population of over 130M+ East Africans who eat Ugali almost daily and more are born everyday. (why is Unga such a big deal) The Ugali maker market is/will be present as long as Ugali eaters live.

The vitamins(colic and anything else really) market will be present as long as those mothers keep giving birth. And for vitamins - as long as the population will keep on getting informed.

The problem with you and those of your ilk, is analysis of paralysis. When Steve Jobs went forth with his plan of the Ipad he just saw what the Ipad could do, sold the idea and people bought into it. The price of IPAD 1 was about 80+K did it fail?

Let that Ugali maker throw in a price of his innovation, if it can save me the hustle of cooking Ugali and you know how involving that can get(but I guess your wife does it so you may have forgotten)....I WILL buy it without even blinking. Remember there's a difference btn price and value.

Good to see that you have conditionally committed to the ugali maker... based on price!

I asked a couple of questions - none of which you have answered... how much are you willing to pay for the ugali maker? is the pain of cooking ugali enough to make you think of buying a machine for X dollars to cook it?
2) Remember my assertion that people upgrade away from Ugali? this is just an observation that as soon as people have more disposable income i.e. have X dollars to spare for your contraption - they don't eat ugali as much as you thought they would - I would like to hear your response to this observation. The reason Unga is a big deal is exactly explained by this... the people who eat the solid paste frequently are actually the ones that won't afford to buy version 0.1! The many poor people rich in votes but a bit short on cash!
3) Steve Jobs was the master of reality distortion - something that you have been caught in... iPad 1 was not the 1st tablet... I pointed you to the failure that was the Apple Newton plus the fact that Microsoft had like a tablet in 2002! (remember the expression - the second mouse eats the cheese?).

I am not being negative for no reason, I am asking fundamental questions... really! This is not a science project. Ideally the guy who is making this contraption needs to have a plan.... Anyone watched the underpants gnomes episode of south park?


The key for him is STEP 2! remember Apple did not need to have the iPad flying off the shelves to be 'successful' - you as the ugali maker - needs to!
You need to figure out step 2! @WazuaAdmin - can we have some neon lights here... pointing at the statement YOU ARE NOT APPLE!

I repeat - Answer the following questions to build your case - really simple things you would think:
1) what is the problem (pain you are solving, the job that the person buying the gizmo is hiring it to do)?
2) what is the cost of the solution to 1 above?
3) who are the people you are selling your whatyamacallit to and where are they?
4) what is the cost of getting the thingamajig to their doorstep (or supermarket)?
5) do these people think that the problem is worth spending the amount specified in step 2 + step 4 above?
6) how many people answer affirmatively to the question in step 5 above?

@Tycho introduced an interesting aspect - the process. I say - if you want to build an ugalimaker... start a kickstarter! and test 1 to 6 BEFORE committing cash and waiting for them 'to come'.

or maybe - let's throw away all initial analysis and pesky questions from naysayers and 'believe' we are steve jobs and attack the market after inventing our thingamabob! It's entrepreneurship right? it has everything to do with belief and passion!
All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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