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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2014 Posts: 1,652
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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MaichBlack wrote:kaka2za wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Lete to disagree on whether the policemen should have talked to the press or not. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Let us discuss the issues that were raised. Forget who and how they were raised. Let us discuss the situation on the ground.
Otherwise we will be like the police spokesman who totally ignored the issues and focused on secondary things like "gazetted" members talking to the press, patriotism bla bla bla. You still don't get it do you? In the disciplined forces the issue of who and how can be a matter of life and death. You are the one who doesn't get it!!! The issue here is, is the government doing enough to facilitate police to protect our country? Let's not waste precious time discussing red tape and protocols. They might be important but that is not what we are interested in here. It is like a son running away from school, gets home finds the father sleeping with the house girl and tells the mother pap! And then the father keeps insisting that what should be discussed is the son running away from school yet he was found butt naked with the house gir!!! @maichblack, this is the best analogy to silence those avoiding the core issue. Unfortunately, they won't see it that way. You are attacking their beloved, hard working government. In the services sector, we say perception is everything. Reality doesn't count. The police spokesman knows this and so do the wazuans complaining about the expose rather than the issues it highlighted. In short,you are threatening their make-believe narrative which happens to be the only thing there is really.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/23/2014 Posts: 1,652
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Gathige wrote:When all is said and done, we all have a responsibility to build our country.Until the day all we wazuans posting here send our kids to join the police force and make a mark, nothing will change.
If you have ever tried to reason with a Kenyan policeman/woman, you know how daft they are. When we entrust our security to such folks, be very very worried. They will even pass intelligence to alshabab for a coin. Some are clueless what 'disciplined force' means, yet they are in it. There is already a KDF recruitment going on. Hutia Mundu!!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,915
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freiks wrote:MaichBlack wrote:kaka2za wrote:MaichBlack wrote:Let's us agree to disagree on whether the policemen should have talked to the press or not. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.
Let us discuss the issues that were raised. Forget who and how they were raised. Let us discuss the situation on the ground.
Otherwise we will be like the police spokesman who totally ignored the issues and focused on secondary things like "gazetted" members talking to the press, patriotism bla bla bla. You still don't get it do you? In the disciplined forces the issue of who and how can be a matter of life and death. You are the one who doesn't get it!!! The issue here is, is the government doing enough to facilitate police to protect our country? Let's not waste precious time discussing red tape and protocols. They might be important but that is not what we are interested in here. It is like a son running away from school, gets home finds the father sleeping with the house girl and tells the mother pap! And then the father keeps insisting that what should be discussed is the son running away from school yet he was found butt naked with the house gir!!! @maichblack si ukuwe prezzo upatie polisi hizo vitu na uweke thermal detectors venye Larry alisema This is exactly what I am saying. Have I mentioned thermal detectors? And in any case there are police choppers equipped with thermal detectors that the government can afford. And one or two choppers for the whole country would be better than nothing. Surveillance for less than a week would show which part of Boni forest the Al Shabaab are holed in and this pang'ang'a of how expansive the forest is would end pap!!! People should stop being apologists for the government. If the government is doing a crappy job is a certain area, let's say it openly. If they are doing a wonderful job in another area, the same! We say so! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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My 2cents...1. If that is the only car in that station...that's a fail. 2. All reserve (gishagi)police stations in Kenya look like that 3. Our policemen are not well trained, therefore incompetent, its been discussed here time and again. 4. From the expose life there must have been good at one time (am sure cops din't mind it)...till the shaitans showed up and everyone (DO, doctors KWS) ran away. 5. It is not true that we pay enough taxes only 40% of the adult population is gainfully employed and most of these people are on the lower bracket of taxation. Going forward... Nkaisseri's ministry can collect millions in fines that can be effectively used to fund the upgrading of the existing police/intelligence infrastructure. This can be done by though channeling Traffic violations fines towards this, the same way the road levy is used to build roads, have a law that would introduce annual state inspection of all cars. That's how those countries we admire do it. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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MaichBlack wrote:[quote=freiks]
This is exactly what I am saying. Have I mentioned thermal detectors?
And in any case there are police choppers equipped with thermal detectors that the government can afford. And one or two choppers for the whole country would be better than nothing. Surveillance for less than a week would show which part of Boni forest the Al Shabaab are holed in and this pang'ang'a of how expansive the forest is would end pap!!!
People should stop being apologists for the government. If the government is doing a crappy job is a certain area, let's say it openly. If they are doing a wonderful job in another area, the same! We say so! I agree with your tirade - however I am not on the gava's side - I am just spelling it out to you and anyone else who seems not to understand.... nyinyi ni 3rd world country! I remember some other thread talking about having sijui money for football, money for Sumo wrestling e.t.c. We have fundermental things that are wrong with this country... are we better than where we were - I say yes... are we in a position to BE ALL THAT WE CAN BE - NO! hell no! it's not just the police, it's our hospitals, it's our roads! for me the welfare of the police is not a priority! They signed up for that! it's like going to a boarding school where everyone tells you u will shower with cold water and then you start making noise about the cold water and the way it causes you to have asthma! (is this an appropriate place to use CORD's line "choices have consequences"?). I would ask gava to remain unmoved! and focus on health issues - since no one signs up for cancer or some disease that would kill you for really flimsy reasons! Karaos wamejiweka on the line of fire and they have been trained to live under those conditions - hawa sio wa kwanza and will not be the last... They should man up! but wasijali...tutawasort before we decide we have enough money to sponsor cycling and winter sports! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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murchr wrote:My 2cents...1. If that is the only car in that station...that's a fail.
2. All reserve (gishagi)police stations in Kenya look like that
3. Our policemen are not well trained, therefore incompetent, its been discussed here time and again.
4. From the expose life there must have been good at one time (am sure cops din't mind it)...till the shaitans showed up and everyone (DO, doctors KWS) ran away.
5. It is not true that we pay enough taxes only 40% of the adult population is gainfully employed and most of these people are on the lower bracket of taxation.
Going forward...
Nkaisseri's ministry can collect millions in fines that can be effectively used to fund the upgrading of the existing police/intelligence infrastructure. This can be done by though channeling Traffic violations fines towards this, the same way the road levy is used to build roads, have a law that would introduce annual state inspection of all cars. That's how those countries we admire do it. @murchr, as @masukuma has pointed out, we are a 3rd world backwater nation trying to live on 1st world values. 101 of nation building- it takes either a calamity or national awakening to build a nation. We have neither had any at a scale that can give us a serious start. When our police force recruits from D+ while alshabab recruits from our universities, be very very worried. Take an afternoon and watch CI on DSTV, you will realize how we have nothing like a police force. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2009 Posts: 7,915
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Kenya is a very rich country!!! We have some of the highest paid Mpigs in the world (not in Africa) - in addition Governors, County Rep's etc. in this top heavy government. We afford them money to build/buy palatial homes, give them car allowances in addition to almost free car loans, they make useless trips locally and abroad - like trips to Israel to see hoe garbage is collected. Don't even get me started on the wastage in the budgetd of both the National and County governments in addition to the billions we lose to corruption - some estimates put it at 400 BILLION lost every year to corruption. And then when the government is required to do something we suddenly remember, oops, we are a third world country!!! We have the money to upgrade ALL the police stations, buy equipment and still handle all the other pressing National issues. Are you aware how much we have lost in the tourism sector and other sectors due to Terrorism this year only??? How much are we losing every day due to weakening shilling due to reduce foreign exchange inflows accessioned by among other things, terrorism. Simple facts: 1) We can afford to do what needs to be done. 2) We are losing more than we could have spent to get things right!!! Double tragedy!!! Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Gathige wrote:murchr wrote:My 2cents...1. If that is the only car in that station...that's a fail.
2. All reserve (gishagi)police stations in Kenya look like that
3. Our policemen are not well trained, therefore incompetent, its been discussed here time and again.
4. From the expose life there must have been good at one time (am sure cops din't mind it)...till the shaitans showed up and everyone (DO, doctors KWS) ran away.
5. It is not true that we pay enough taxes only 40% of the adult population is gainfully employed and most of these people are on the lower bracket of taxation.
Going forward...
Nkaisseri's ministry can collect millions in fines that can be effectively used to fund the upgrading of the existing police/intelligence infrastructure. This can be done by though channeling Traffic violations fines towards this, the same way the road levy is used to build roads, have a law that would introduce annual state inspection of all cars. That's how those countries we admire do it. @murchr, as @masukuma has pointed out, we are a 3rd world backwater nation trying to live on 1st world values. 101 of nation building- it takes either a calamity or national awakening to build a nation. We have neither had any at a scale that can give us a serious start. When our police force recruits from D+ while alshabab recruits from our universities, be very very worried. Take an afternoon and watch CI on DSTV, you will realize how we have nothing like a police force. I completely agree with you and masukuma. We are on the last tier of third world countries when it comes to policing and service delivery. Infact, many cannot comprehend how a police force should operate effectively. Alfie tried to bring people in Mks upto speed and he was quickly told off and termed as wasteful. If we want to be in anyway close to what we admire in movies and other programs on tv,...we have to pay for it. Those who pay for services (health, education etc) in this country are the minority...the majority don't..and this is where Nkaisseris ministry should come in "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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