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Githurai protest Chaos: In support for arrested Cop!!??
simonkabz
#41 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:15:55 PM
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Like I said before, no one supports "trigger-happy" cops, they are a risk to everybody. But a well coordinated operation to weed out all ARMED THUGS without mercy using Intelligence and Surveillance is what I advocate for. Since we dont have a death sentence any more, and yet these boys are still killing, raping and maiming, they should be shot in the head once IDENTIFIED and caught RED-HANDED.

Kindly note, executing not SUSPECTS but confirmed criminals caught in the act-with guns of course.

In any case, the Police County Commander Nairobi said they are carefully going through (I guess the Kenyanlist summary) so as not to make any mistakes. I can bet that those boys are under the radar, and cops are waiting for them to make a move, and Boom!
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alma
#42 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:32:22 PM
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Bravado doesn't security make. Otherwise by this time, counting the number of people who have died innocently or otherwise in the hands of rogue cops hasn't decreased the crime rate.

You can't support extra judicial killings and expect security. Either the cops are following the law in their duties or they are also criminals but with a uniform.

This alleged story of a witness being shot by this "wonderful" cop has no difference from the Tebes story where a witness was shot and killed by thugs. They are all thugs.

We allowed them to kill "thugs", now we want to allow them to kill witnesses. What's next, kill your mom for not raising a good law abiding son?
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
masukuma
#43 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:55:30 PM
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just as I thought.... wazua is full of people with middle class problems. do you know who sorted out gachie? it would be best if we had cops who followed all these ideals we are jotting down here but the fact of the matter is... we don't...we really don't! and the sad truth is we won't have them for quite sometime. that is the truth...

this is the wild east... everyone has a gun except the civilian who is to be protected and everyone with a gun wants to 'eat' from the guy without the gun. the people of gachie and ruaka and other places that had the opportunity to be visited by this 'rogue' cop will disagree with you. how many times do you see people protesting FOR A COP... mtu afunge biashara yake aende kwa street for 2 days zushaing about the arrest of a COP.. that in itself should tell you something. Man was not created for the law but the law for man.
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jaggernaut
#44 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:57:25 PM
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Rahatupu wrote:
jaggernaut wrote:
One day you could be carjacked and the thugs sandwich you on the back seat, then the trigger happy cops open fire on the "most wanted criminals" and then it would be too late to tell your story.


@jaggernut, so would you rather die in the hands of the carjackers and the police do nothing faced with the gun totting thugs? eh? Bundiki sio kijiko boss


At least the thugs would dump you somewhere at 4am after using your car to rob other motorists. But what if, God forbid, the cops opened fire while you are sandwiched hapo nyuma or umewekwa kwa boot?

What am saying is that the cops should fire at the vehicle tires to deflate them and ground the car, and then arrest and charge the thugs in a court of law with robbery with violence, and sentence them to hang.
alma
#45 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:02:37 PM
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masukuma if a policeman cannot follow the law that you created, then he should not be a policeman. Atafute kazi ingine. You are arguing as if there are no honest and law abiding cops who actually arrest people who they know will walk tommorow. But they still follow the law.

Your argument is very strange indeed. You are saying in one paragraph that Kenyan policemen don't follow the law. and they are all possible killers because they are frustrated. Very strange argument indeed.
Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
masukuma
#46 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:11:27 PM
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alma wrote:
masukuma if a policeman cannot follow the law that you created, then he should not be a policeman. Atafute kazi ingine. You are arguing as if there are no honest and law abiding cops who actually arrest people who they know will walk tommorow. But they still follow the law.

Your argument is very strange indeed. You are saying in one paragraph that Kenyan policemen don't follow the law. and they are all possible killers because they are frustrated. Very strange argument indeed.

it's not a perfect world.... that is what I am saying....

the kenya constitution instructs us that we have the right "to be free from hunger, and to have adequate food of acceptable quality"... how is that working out for all of us? it's an aspiration... we are working towards that.
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simonkabz
#47 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:15:51 PM
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alma wrote:

Bravado doesn't security make. Otherwise by this time, counting the number of people who have died innocently or otherwise in the hands of rogue cops hasn't decreased the crime rate.

You can't support extra judicial killings and expect security. Either the cops are following the law in their duties or they are also criminals but with a uniform.

This alleged story of a witness being shot by this "wonderful" cop has no difference from the Tebes story where a witness was shot and killed by thugs. They are all thugs.

We allowed them to kill "thugs", now we want to allow them to kill witnesses. What's next, kill your mom for not raising a good law abiding son?


We all wish your ideal world to happen, but it wont, unfortunately. Our wishes actually don't count, coz a cop will in all likelihood shoot dead an armed thug tupende tusipende. The route of Justice failed miserably to deal with mungiki, MRC and other gangs, and would fail again, coz you dont seem to understand why they opt to finish these boys.

I dont know where you live, but If I start narrating stories by thug-attack survivors , you will shed tears. There are a few rogue cops in Kenya, and please dont lecture me about bribes as usual.

Of all the innocent people I know who have been felled by the bullet, they are ALL victims of armed thugs. Some even had their wives and daughters raped right infront of them before being executed....people I know. Where I come from, I don't know of a single innocent victim of police gunshots, I only read those stories in the papers.

I'm not defending cops, but I would rather die than show the slightest compassion to a thug. All in all, may we prevail over this menace!
TULIA.........UFUNZWE!
Pedes
#48 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:20:54 PM
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Asking for a cop to follow the law is not idealism, it is the right and professional thing to do in his line of duty.
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masukuma
#49 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:29:19 PM
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Pedes wrote:
Asking for a cop to follow the law is not idealism, it is the right and professional thing to do in his line of duty.

YES... no one disagrees... we are just saying kenya is a worse place now that 'guka alias mkisii' is behind bars.
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jaggernaut
#50 Posted : Wednesday, September 10, 2014 7:50:53 PM
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