@alma, its all good as long as we keep the legality argument to the experts or until media releases detailed info on what transpired legally on the land ownership files. Lets keep towards feasibility of land use as residential as opposed to agricultural.

The commissioner of lands Mr Gachanja fraudulently allocated the KEVEVAPI land to himself (4ha), his secretary/girlfriend (2ha)and Shajar ltd (23.5ha). Shajar then sold 21ha to NSSF and 2.6ha to winners chapel. NSSF the sold theirs to Diamond park developers. Gachanja's girlfriend sold her share to Kenya Bankers association who put up Banq villa estate. KEVEVAPI never sold any land to anyone, they only realized that their land was stolen.

Just like in Kimunya's case where he is charged with abuse of office, we should be seeing the land thieves Gachanja (is he still alive?), his girlfriend and directors of Shajar in court to answer for this land grabbing.

@poundfoolish, well said. The agric cabinet secretary said he needs it back for more agricultural purposes. He already has 70 acres but needs more. Agric ministry also owns thousands of acres from shade hotel/raila residence all the way to ngong town.

The lynch mob mentality will surely deter investments in kenya. I would not be surprised if the agric ministry goes to court and is awarded an oder to demolish, as it happend in syokimau. In other countries, the syokimau situation would have led to the resignation of the president.
Even in this kevevapi situation, by now Pres. Uhuru should have summoned the cabinet secretary and explained to him that to the ordinary citizen, there is no difference between commisioner of lands/ministry of lands/ city council/kevevapi and nssf. These all represent government ans govt should cordinate with one direction. Without this, then this creates situation for anarchy, where @alma and @jagernaut will arm themselves to demolish the kevevapi houses, and the house occupants fight them back, with kevevapi with its own set of police, ministry of lands with its own police and city concil with the council askaris.

@a4a.com would you kindly run the video clip posted above.

And thats what a4a.com is supporting impunity in the name of nice houses " costing 16b."

Kevevapi supports the livelihoods of millions of pastoralist communities and livestock farmers through the vaccines/drugs they produce. KEVEVAPI also provides employment to hundreds of kenyans, from research scientists with PhDs to sweepers.

I have seen it. To me this is innuendo. Paul Ndungu of the Ndungu land report expects all kenyans to know the ndungu land report in detail. Even if the land is in the land report, kenyans are usually desperate for land and for a good reason.Most land available is being hoarded by govt agencies eg kevevapi, hence creating an unnaturally high demand.

To me solutions lie by kenyans looking at the larger nationl picture i.e how is the economy benefiting, not small emotive issues like gachanja and his clande. Of course someone had to benefit but their benefit is very small compared to how the national budget , including you @ alma, benefits.

When land stays idle, it creates unemployment, creates high rents due to scarcity of houses etc, whereby you @alma and other kenyans are the loosers.

When land is developed, whether after being stolen as in the case of kevevapi, it benefits all kenyans more than it benefits gachanja and his clande.

Currently, the ministry of agric land , thousands of acres, from shade hotel to ngong town is idle. It causes more unemployment, high rents, insecurity, higher infrastructure investment costs in far away places etc. Even if @alma was to somehow manage to get the ownership and then resell to developers, you will not gain more than how the economy as a whole will benefit.

What you advocate for is impunity and anachy.... So long as one steals and puts up houses to benefit themseives by selling then thats okay to you... Where are your morals? Seems you care more for your achiterual fees than whats right or wrong

i hope that @a4 you understand the meaning of land ownership.

It means that as long as I'm within county by laws, I can do anything with it. That includes grazing my 2 cows on 1000 acres. I'm sure you could more with it but that's my land not yours.

You mentioned if this was to happen in other countries. Please sir, this only happens in Kenya. Where land law is taken for granted. A proper title is the livelihood of the economy.

As for kevevapi making less money than the 600 houses in terms of economic growth in the country. Please advice with proper reference exactly where you got that idea from.

I can not say for or against as I don't have the figures for impact of veterinary services in the country to half the population vs the impact of some 600 bad investors losing their 10 million.

So far we have debunked the following myths you were creating

1. that the land was acquired from gov't

So lets now work on the economic growth of kevavapi vs the fortunes of 600 bad investors.

@jus blazin..the only unethical situation i can see is you advocating/being a part of a lynch mob to demolish people's hard earned property.

Architects dont advise on legality of land. Architects advice on feasibility of land. Legality is done by conveyancing lawyers.

Show me where am advocating anyone to buy and build without doing due diligence. Here we are discussing about projects that have an effect on the economy, and how the country can plan its land use, not one person going to build his house.

Runda's case was compulsory acquisition, for the good of all 40 million kenyans. Syokimau case was for the detrement of kenya. same as kevevapi case.

Am looking at this from the point of shaping policy , so that in future, as the country moves on, people will look at the benefit to the country as opposed to the benefit to the individual.