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State of Poverty in Kenya
newfarer
#81 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 9:36:21 PM
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EU 40 billion grant for agriculture.
I hope this will play a big role in alleviating poverty in Kenya.
hope ruto will show some interest in his pet sector where he shone in the past.
over to you ruto.
punda amecheka
Wakanyugi
#82 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 10:58:13 PM
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World Bank to Help Kenya Build a National Safety Net to Reach 3.3 Million Poor People by 2017


โ€œBeing cushioned against devastating income losses by a small but regular transfer of money from the program helps poor people afford consistent nutrition and healthcare, and keep children in school. With these basics in place, vulnerable households are far more likely to become part of an economy thatโ€™s on the move.โ€


Now this is more like it.

More power to them.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
murchr
#83 Posted : Wednesday, July 24, 2013 11:16:16 PM
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Where are those who were expecting sanctions?
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Muheani
#84 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:20:05 AM
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Its sad to have hordes of young people not engaged in gainful employment- And a Good Number Of Them Left Their Arable Farms To Their Aged Parents To Come Tarmac In The City.

We Need Middle Level Technical colleges...hands On Training...


Its sad that we Cannot Feed Ourselves Yet We Have Enough Land Resources To Do So.

Its Sad.
murchr
#85 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:37:10 AM
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Muheani wrote:
Its sad to have hordes of young people not engaged in gainful employment- And a Good Number Of Them Left Their Arable Farms To Their Aged Parents To Come Tarmac In The City.

We Need Middle Level Technical colleges...hands On Training...


Its sad that we Cannot Feed Ourselves Yet We Have Enough Land Resources To Do So.

Its Sad.


Those village poly techniques are highly ignored by those who are to attend them. Someone should check on attendance to prove that. I think that alone is not a solution. Let living in the city be very expensive and people will move or keep off from it.
As long as one can earn 10K+ doing odd jobs here and there, then that tilling of land only for the crops to dry later on will not be worth any sweat.
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Wakanyugi
#86 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:46:32 AM
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Muheani wrote:
Its sad to have hordes of young people not engaged in gainful employment- And a Good Number Of Them Left Their Arable Farms To Their Aged Parents To Come Tarmac In The City.

We Need Middle Level Technical colleges...hands On Training...

Its sad that we Cannot Feed Ourselves Yet We Have Enough Land Resources To Do So.

Its Sad.


Indeed it is sad and the sheer waste of potential is a crime.

But you could also say it is an opportunity. For any young man with something between his ears and willing to work had, there is real money to be made from agriculture.

Not like our parents time when most of their efforts were wasted through poor policies and practices, like the Moi era sabotage that was apparently meant to cut some tribes down to size.

Some of the things I read on Farming Kenya give me hope.
"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
Rankaz13
#87 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:12:44 AM
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This last weekend, I watched a feature on CNN African Voices. They featured the Maasai of Tanzania living at the foot of Mt. Kilimanjaro. Their community leader, Martin Saning'o Karioni who was being interviewed really impressed me.

Watch it and see how they've managed to transform their lives, gone as far as establishing a dairy plant, build library, managed to supply water and electricity to their villages, all by exploiting their land resource and their way of life, herding.

Let me see if my kabambe can successfully attach the link for you:

African Voices
Life is like playing a violin solo in public and learning the instrument as one goes on.
Mukiri
#88 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 10:21:49 AM
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Kenya's MPs 2nd Highest paid(Per capita) in the world!

Over 75% of our income goes into recurrent expenditure

Somebody somewhere must be asking, 'Whats wrong with these monkeys?' We need to smoke what the Egyptians did... but while we cultivate it, the onus of improvement/development lies within ourselves as individuals

Proverbs 19:21
tycho
#89 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 11:30:58 AM
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I'm trying to imagine how information technology has transformed agriculture, and the feeling is 'overwhelming'. Intelligent farm 'tools', extensive market networks and delivery systems, 'cheaper' capital- I expect costs to lower generally- the growth of barter trade and increased and improved use of social networks, may turn the 'whole' landmass into farmland.

Everything can be transformed. But that's if we all immerse ourselves into a worldview that is compatible to the world we envision.

Each of us is 'the frontline' of this war against poverty. And we must not lose sight of the fact that we are Spiritual beings and that we must excel spiritually, so that all 'these things may be added unto us'.
nakujua
#90 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 12:15:53 PM
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Poverty and the measures used to define it are relative and hugely depend on individual communities or social groupings.
Since perception plays a very important role is social status, the individuals deemed to have will go to great lengths to maintain or improve their status and in most cases this includes making sure that the people deemed to be of a lower standing do not get a chance to equal them.

we move our kids to secluded academies and lock ourselves into gated communities, we choose not to invest our skills and intelligence for the better good of the community consciously or lack of, for fear of having more people in the same class us ourselves.

In short poverty in Kenya will always be with us, but the beauty of life is that its a very short contract we have with our maker and soon we will be no more.
Lolest!
#91 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 2:01:00 PM
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murchr wrote:
Where are those who were expecting sanctions?

we realised that there was nothing much to get scared about the day Dr Christian Turner visited Uhuru
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
Siringi
#92 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 3:02:14 PM
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Muheani wrote:
Its sad to have hordes of young people not engaged in gainful employment- And a Good Number Of Them Left Their Arable Farms To Their Aged Parents To Come Tarmac In The City.

We Need Middle Level Technical colleges...hands On Training...


Its sad that we Cannot Feed Ourselves Yet We Have Enough Land Resources To Do So.

Its Sad.


Driving along Langata Road, Waiyaki Way, Parts of Ngnong' Road, Nyali Bridge in Mombasa I ask myself with all these hordes of men and women trekking in the morning and evening ... how long are we going to pretend as a country that we are sitting on a time bomb!

Visiting villages and hordes of idle youth lounging in the market places .. we need to think and come up with solutions PAP otherwise.. the problem is not the hotair Cordoms... Iko Chida papa hapa
"๐Ÿ˜–๐Ÿ˜กKQ makes money for everyone except the shareholder ๐Ÿ˜๐Ÿ˜ " overheard in Wazua
Wakanyugi
#93 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 4:42:54 PM
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Siringi wrote:


Visiting villages and hordes of idle youth lounging in the market places .. we need to think and come up with solutions PAP otherwise.. the problem is not the hot air Cordoms... Iko Chida papa hapa


On the other hand, if you read the DN piece today about the Mkulima Young farmers hub - about young people making real money from the land you begin to wonder.

Why would one be content with a town job that pays 10,000 a month when s/he can make 10 times that from the idle land in the village?

Our youth need some tough love.


"The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
wanyee
#94 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 6:12:34 PM
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The best bet would be taking advantage of multiplicities within which a community in which an individual finds themselves in...for example other than just subsistence farming for a farmers own consumption food they can use bi0-waste(including human waste) to generate bio-fuel and hence bio- generated electricity for his/her own small cottage factory/work-shop use to have a small cottage industry in making say ceramics..or plastics waste recycling there-by creating alternative stream of income ..or even having a micro-brewery and a matching rural-agro tourism complete with grounds for event/seminars..(depending on their size of occupancy ..which they don't even have to actually own....they can lease) there are many options out there if the fundamentals are right..because eventually the goal would be transform to competitive trading communities at a regional/global stage ..if only the information is availed ..and it is out there..there is a nut for every squirrel ..i believe
murchr
#95 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 7:55:35 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
Siringi wrote:


Visiting villages and hordes of idle youth lounging in the market places .. we need to think and come up with solutions PAP otherwise.. the problem is not the hot air Cordoms... Iko Chida papa hapa


On the other hand, if you read the DN piece today about the Mkulima Young farmers hub - about young people making real money from the land you begin to wonder.

Why would one be content with a town job that pays 10,000 a month when s/he can make 10 times that from the idle land in the village?

Our youth need some tough love.




It comes easy, pay 1000/- rent, buy cheap githeri cooked on the road side, buy mitumba clothes and drink some illicit brew for 20/ and survive. These conditions will drive many to the urban areas.

If 1. Renting would be higher due to taxes collected by GOK.
2.Mama githeri would pay taxes on her road side business thus driving the price of that plate up..
3. Tax mitumba heavily and encourage local industries like rivertext, and the production of cotton/silk.
4.Be tough on illicit pombe...
5.Streamline the transport sector
6.Subsidize agriculture etc etc
These young men would not see the need of flocking into towns and cities, which i think are too inviting.



"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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wanyee
#96 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:11:11 PM
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Wakanyugi wrote:
Siringi wrote:


Visiting villages and hordes of idle youth lounging in the market places .. we need to think and come up with solutions PAP otherwise.. the problem is not the hot air Cordoms... Iko Chida papa hapa


On the other hand, if you read the DN piece today about the Mkulima Young farmers hub - about young people making real money from the land you begin to wonder.

Why would one be content with a town job that pays 10,000 a month when s/he can make 10 times that from the idle land in the village?

Our youth need some tough love.




Blame it on the NGO culture of Haki Yetu compounded with the 5 year- electioneering jackpot..and the 100 bob youth for hire politician ..i think poverty fighting dhould be very distant and divorced from latter element ..there is a lot of pretense that masses are engaged in productive endeavors.. i always wonder? those hawkers in the traffic jams ..how do they pay rent..school fees? ..do they have a pension plan? health insurance cover ? same for makangas..and the rest of the lot in exhibiton stalls ..what happens to the hawkers if roads become traffic free..
InnovateGuy
#97 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:25:17 PM
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murchr wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Siringi wrote:


Visiting villages and hordes of idle youth lounging in the market places .. we need to think and come up with solutions PAP otherwise.. the problem is not the hot air Cordoms... Iko Chida papa hapa


On the other hand, if you read the DN piece today about the Mkulima Young farmers hub - about young people making real money from the land you begin to wonder.

Why would one be content with a town job that pays 10,000 a month when s/he can make 10 times that from the idle land in the village?

Our youth need some tough love.




It comes easy, pay 1000/- rent, buy cheap githeri cooked on the road side, buy mitumba clothes and drink some illicit brew for 20/ and survive. These conditions will drive many to the urban areas.

If 1. Renting would be higher due to taxes collected by GOK.
2.Mama githeri would pay taxes on her road side business thus driving the price of that plate up..
3. Tax mitumba heavily and encourage local industries like rivertext, and the production of cotton/silk.
4.Be tough on illicit pombe...
5.Streamline the transport sector
6.Subsidize agriculture etc etc
These young men would not see the need of flocking into towns and cities, which i think are too inviting.





Telling young people to go home is not a solution. What you guys seem to easily forget is that the old wazees own the land. They won't give it to the young people - unless the young man is married. When you go to the tea and coffee producing areas, the mzee owns the trees. Unless he's dead, nobody touches the trees.

Live Full Die Empty - Les Brown.
murchr
#98 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:38:20 PM
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InnovateGuy wrote:
murchr wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Siringi wrote:


Visiting villages and hordes of idle youth lounging in the market places .. we need to think and come up with solutions PAP otherwise.. the problem is not the hot air Cordoms... Iko Chida papa hapa


On the other hand, if you read the DN piece today about the Mkulima Young farmers hub - about young people making real money from the land you begin to wonder.

Why would one be content with a town job that pays 10,000 a month when s/he can make 10 times that from the idle land in the village?

Our youth need some tough love.




It comes easy, pay 1000/- rent, buy cheap githeri cooked on the road side, buy mitumba clothes and drink some illicit brew for 20/ and survive. These conditions will drive many to the urban areas.

If 1. Renting would be higher due to taxes collected by GOK.
2.Mama githeri would pay taxes on her road side business thus driving the price of that plate up..
3. Tax mitumba heavily and encourage local industries like rivertext, and the production of cotton/silk.
4.Be tough on illicit pombe...
5.Streamline the transport sector
6.Subsidize agriculture etc etc
These young men would not see the need of flocking into towns and cities, which i think are too inviting.





Telling young people to go home is not a solution. What you guys seem to easily forget is that the old wazees own the land. They won't give it to the young people - unless the young man is married. When you go to the tea and coffee producing areas, the mzee owns the trees. Unless he's dead, nobody touches the trees.



Its not about owning but working on these farms. These old folks wouldn't hustle to know what other breeds of crops can do well on their farms. And what would be so wrong in working for your father anyway? I don't think any old man would have a problem if his son kept chicken, goats, cows etc. I know there's some "prestige" in being in Nairobi but ... haiko
"There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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wanyee
#99 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:39:35 PM
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InnovateGuy wrote:
murchr wrote:
Wakanyugi wrote:
Siringi wrote:


Visiting villages and hordes of idle youth lounging in the market places .. we need to think and come up with solutions PAP otherwise.. the problem is not the hot air Cordoms... Iko Chida papa hapa


On the other hand, if you read the DN piece today about the Mkulima Young farmers hub - about young people making real money from the land you begin to wonder.

Why would one be content with a town job that pays 10,000 a month when s/he can make 10 times that from the idle land in the village?

Our youth need some tough love.




It comes easy, pay 1000/- rent, buy cheap githeri cooked on the road side, buy mitumba clothes and drink some illicit brew for 20/ and survive. These conditions will drive many to the urban areas.

If 1. Renting would be higher due to taxes collected by GOK.
2.Mama githeri would pay taxes on her road side business thus driving the price of that plate up..
3. Tax mitumba heavily and encourage local industries like rivertext, and the production of cotton/silk.
4.Be tough on illicit pombe...
5.Streamline the transport sector
6.Subsidize agriculture etc etc
These young men would not see the need of flocking into towns and cities, which i think are too inviting.





Telling young people to go home is not a solution. What you guys seem to easily forget is that the old wazees own the land. They won't give it to the young people - unless the young man is married. When you go to the tea and coffee producing areas, the mzee owns the trees. Unless he's dead, nobody touches the trees.


smile I see an opportunity there ..come up with a realtor business idea that addresses the above..it avails otherwise "unavailable"arable land to groups of young Kenyans en-mass for agri-commerce from any part of this region..I understand there is lots of it in Tanzania, Zambia s.sudan and Zimbabwe.. get good lawyers for leasing and what-not..there u got it client and product Drool and may be a revenue model of shared productivity etc etcThink
tycho
#100 Posted : Thursday, July 25, 2013 8:54:59 PM
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It's pure hypocrisy to blame or even prescribe remedies for the 'youth'.
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