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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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@Mawinder, the difference is so huge, apparently Railaphobia is partly formed by the killings during the PEV......which allegendly were perpertrated by one Ruto, we had kiuks in Kisumu but the killings there were due to police shootings, not torching, raping and killing of people from their houses akin to RV!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/4/2009 Posts: 1,982 Location: matano manne
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McReggae wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:There is nothing like RAILAPHOBIA in GEMA. its all a well ochestrated attack on any other kenyan with a good chance to win the presidency.
I used to think it existed, then I saw recently the way they swatted off Kalonzo, managed to put Ruto in a corner and when MaDVD came to the fore, he has been dealt with cruelly.
Take RAO from the equation and replace him with any other kenyan outside central and he will get the same treatment of hatred, choreographed attacks on their character etc.
We have seen it all. Lets stop the pretending that this is a debate, tukutane kwa debe, whoever wins, wins. ICC or not.  It can't be put any better, infact in 2008, Ruto was the most hated in this forum and they used to call him Arap Milosevic, many of them said better Raila than Ruto.....look where we are today, Ruto is the angel, TRIBLISM at it's best!!! . On whose side are the faceless deciders? I mean the political West? How are the intended policies, of either "horse" beneficial to the West? I think a clue to these questions will more or less be important in deciding the winner come March 4th 2013.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:There is nothing like RAILAPHOBIA in GEMA. its all a well ochestrated attack on any other kenyan with a good chance to win the presidency.
I used to think it existed, then I saw recently the way they swatted off Kalonzo, managed to put Ruto in a corner and when MaDVD came to the fore, he has been dealt with cruelly.
Take RAO from the equation and replace him with any other kenyan outside central and he will get the same treatment of hatred, choreographed attacks on their character etc.
We have seen it all. Lets stop the pretending that this is a debate, tukutane kwa debe, whoever wins, wins. ICC or not. It can't be put any better, infact in 2008, Ruto was the most hated in this forum and they used to call him Arap Milosevic, many of them said better Raila than Ruto.....look where we are today, Ruto is the angel, TRIBLISM at it's best!!! Don't forget that when Raila supported Kibaki in 2002, he was a hero in Central Kenya...once they use Ruto, he'll be out the door...
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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McReggae wrote:@Mawinder, the difference is so huge, apparently Railaphobia is partly formed by the killings during the PEV......which allegendly were perpertrated by one Ruto, we had kiuks in Kisumu but the killings there were due to police shootings, not torching, raping and killing of people from their houses akin to RV!!! On one hand, UMK reports at the Hague how OAR caused the PEV, and now he claims that his union with WSR will bring peace in the Rift Valley.....does that mean that them being apart was the cause of the violence in Rift Valley? That him and WSR were fighting each other then?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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Railaphobia was always there pre-2007. However in 2008, some Gema people lost their lives not only in RV but also in Nyanza. ( I have a friend who had a business in Migori and he lost his wife there in PEV).
In addition to the killings, Railaphobia increased in 2008 with acquisition of properties where some tenants stopped paying rents and took these are their rights. I guess to date there are some landlords who have never recovered their properties. These are facts that contribute to Railaphobia in some areas in this country. CORD needs to address this practically if this issue was to be solved.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,571
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Railaphobia is real and necessary, is Moi from Gema? What of former pentagon? the 150mps at Jubilee presidential nominations, Tuju? Mungatana? His brother manispaa? I suffer from Railaphobia and as a patient not of gema i can tell you it is real, has nothing to do with tribe and the only potent medicine available is uhuruto. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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Liv wrote:Railaphobia was always there pre-2007. However in 2008, some Gema people lost their lives not only in RV but also in Nyanza. ( I have a friend who had a business in Migori and he lost his wife there in PEV).
In addition to the killings, Railaphobia increased in 2008 with acquisition of properties where some tenants stopped paying rents and took these are their rights. I guess to date there are some landlords who have never recovered their properties. These are facts that contribute to Railaphobia in some areas in this country. CORD needs to address this practically if this issue was to be solved. @Liv, during the PEV, are you aware that many if not all kyuks residing in Nyanza were asked to vacate, and no killings were reported there... Are you also aware that in a place like Mathare, the Landlords, who are predorminantly Kikuyus, reserve their houses for the guys from Nyanza and not any other...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Back to the topic.....some people are nuts, so this was the agreement:  ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Apology accepted, @ali.
Would you consider the judiciary corrupted if it is to uphold a constitution that is in conflict with political facts?
For example, would it be just for the courts to allow the two to run?
Or would it be just not to allow them to run?
I think the fear that some people may not respect the courts decisions is very real, and this is corruption of the judiciary.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:There is nothing like RAILAPHOBIA in GEMA. its all a well ochestrated attack on any other kenyan with a good chance to win the presidency.
I used to think it existed, then I saw recently the way they swatted off Kalonzo, managed to put Ruto in a corner and when MaDVD came to the fore, he has been dealt with cruelly.
Take RAO from the equation and replace him with any other kenyan outside central and he will get the same treatment of hatred, choreographed attacks on their character etc.
We have seen it all. Lets stop the pretending that this is a debate, tukutane kwa debe, whoever wins, wins. ICC or not. This is nothing but the naked truth! Everyone else somehow doesn't fit the bill!!! I guess the qualification is being mountainous, and not just any side of the Mt, the the West side!! Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:There is nothing like RAILAPHOBIA in GEMA. its all a well ochestrated attack on any other kenyan with a good chance to win the presidency.
There is RAILAPHOBIA, PERIOD. The stuff people say about him is just too off to be ordinary reasoning. I dont hear anybody attacking the rest the way they do with Raila.
I used to think it existed, then I saw recently the way they swatted off Kalonzo, managed to put Ruto in a corner and when MaDVD came to the fore, he has been dealt with cruelly.
So what has this got to do with Railaphobia?
Take RAO from the equation and replace him with any other kenyan outside central and he will get the same treatment of hatred, choreographed attacks on their character etc.
Of course, but not with similar negative energy. There wont be Kalonzophobia or Musalophobia.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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nostoppingthis wrote:
@Liv, during the PEV, are you aware that many if not all kyuks residing in Nyanza were asked to vacate, and no killings were reported there...
Are you also aware that in a place like Mathare, the Landlords, who are predorminantly Kikuyus, reserve their houses for the guys from Nyanza and not any other...
@Nostoppingthis,
I put it to you that some GEMA people were killed in Nyanza during PEV. I have already told you of someone I personally know.
about who the landlord prefer in Mathare, I am not sure. But I have heard the opposite of what you are saying in some areas.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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nostoppingthis wrote:McReggae wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:There is nothing like RAILAPHOBIA in GEMA. its all a well ochestrated attack on any other kenyan with a good chance to win the presidency.
I used to think it existed, then I saw recently the way they swatted off Kalonzo, managed to put Ruto in a corner and when MaDVD came to the fore, he has been dealt with cruelly.
Take RAO from the equation and replace him with any other kenyan outside central and he will get the same treatment of hatred, choreographed attacks on their character etc.
We have seen it all. Lets stop the pretending that this is a debate, tukutane kwa debe, whoever wins, wins. ICC or not. It can't be put any better, infact in 2008, Ruto was the most hated in this forum and they used to call him Arap Milosevic, many of them said better Raila than Ruto.....look where we are today, Ruto is the angel, TRIBLISM at it's best!!! Is it also tribalism to call someone water melon, untrustworthy today then tommorow you are teaming up with them? Don't forget that when Raila supported Kibaki in 2002, he was a hero in Central Kenya...once they use Ruto, he'll be out the door... then some people claimed Raila had told them not to pay rent. The landlord from Githunguri sent an eviction squad. Most in the squad were killed by the tenants and some other goons. Then later Raila and Kibaki fell apart. The rest is history...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Ngalaka wrote:
This is nothing but the naked truth!
Everyone else somehow doesn't fit the bill!!!
I guess the qualification is being mountainous, and not just any side of the Mt, the the West side!!
Since you became Corded, you have become very predictable! There is a difference between RAO and SKM. BTW, Show me a political constituency that doesn't attack the opponents-just one! But the GEMAists attacks and fear of Raila is greater than kawaida.
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Rank: Chief Joined: 8/24/2009 Posts: 5,909 Location: Nairobi
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Lolest! wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:There is nothing like RAILAPHOBIA in GEMA. its all a well ochestrated attack on any other kenyan with a good chance to win the presidency.
There is RAILAPHOBIA, PERIOD. The stuff people say about him is just too off to be ordinary reasoning. I dont hear anybody attacking the rest the way they do with Raila.
I used to think it existed, then I saw recently the way they swatted off Kalonzo, managed to put Ruto in a corner and when MaDVD came to the fore, he has been dealt with cruelly.
So what has this got to do with Railaphobia?
Take RAO from the equation and replace him with any other kenyan outside central and he will get the same treatment of hatred, choreographed attacks on their character etc.
Of course, but not with similar negative energy. There wont be Kalonzophobia or Musalophobia.
This is purely because some people would prefer to maintain the status quo....
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Much Know wrote:Railaphobia is real and necessary, is Moi from Gema? What of former pentagon? the 150mps at Jubilee presidential nominations, Tuju? Mungatana? His brother manispaa? I suffer from Railaphobia and as a patient not of gema i can tell you it is real, has nothing to do with tribe and the only potent medicine available is uhuruto. why is it necessary?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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Liv wrote:nostoppingthis wrote:
@Liv, during the PEV, are you aware that many if not all kyuks residing in Nyanza were asked to vacate, and no killings were reported there...
Are you also aware that in a place like Mathare, the Landlords, who are predorminantly Kikuyus, reserve their houses for the guys from Nyanza and not any other...
@Nostoppingthis,
I put it to you that some GEMA people were killed in Nyanza during PEV. I have already told you of someone I personally know.
about who the landlord prefer in Mathare, I am not sure. But I have heard the opposite of what you are saying in some areas. You compare that with the systematic attacks and killings in RV.....simply put it's so ironical for central people to endorse Ruto and castigata Raile the way they especially regarding PEV!!!! ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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McReggae wrote:
You compare that with the systematic attacks and killings in RV.....simply put it's so ironical for central people to endorse Ruto and castigata Raile the way they especially regarding PEV!!!!
You are right it was much worse in RV.... but in 2007/8 it was all done for RAO....in his name and on his behalf. You remember..."No Raila No Peace"
I was trying to explain why railaphobia is a reality and how it has increased.
Common ordinary Gema people don't want to be given things by government. They want assurance that they will be allowed to work, trade anywhere and their hard earned properties will be protected by government and not be taken from them by force. I guess they fear a Raila government may not be able to provide this assurance and enforce security.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/17/2008 Posts: 23,365 Location: Nairobi
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@Liv, What a contradiction: You now embrace Ruto, if it was done for RAO, why didn't his core support of the Luo do the worst???? ..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Liv wrote:McReggae wrote:
You compare that with the systematic attacks and killings in RV.....simply put it's so ironical for central people to endorse Ruto and castigata Raile the way they especially regarding PEV!!!!
You are right it was much worse in RV.... but in 2007/8 it was all done for RAO....in his name and on his behalf. You remember..."No Raila No Peace"
I was trying to explain why railaphobia is a reality and how it has increased.
Common ordinary Gema people don't want to be given things by government. They want assurance that they will be allowed to work, trade anywhere and their hard earned properties will be protected by government and not be taken from them by force. I guess they fear a Raila government may not be able to provide this assurance and enforce security. So is Railaphobia the belief that Raila doesn't respect the law?
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