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murchr
#41 Posted : Wednesday, September 05, 2012 10:57:42 PM
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This is the best you could come up with esp being this is your 1st comment?? Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
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Chaimasala
#42 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:02:51 AM
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Just surprised at some misconceptions

It seems some think they are safe with docs working for free in KNH coz they seek healthcare at Aga, NH .... I guess they don't realize that the doc taking care of them and their kids has done a full days work at KNH and he is damn tired. He comes to job no. 2 because until uchumi start charging half price for sukari if you know the hypocratic oath by heart he has no choice. I leave you to imagine the level of service you are getting. One mama lambasted a doc pal in a private hospital who fell asleep I the middle of her describing her symptoms but really can you blame the doc?

2 nd is medicine training for masters is an apprenticeship. You work. Those registrars (masters students) deliver your fellow citizens babies, treat pneumonias and stitch up your compatriates after political rallies. Isn't it mean to ask him to do it on an empty stomach?

And finally what teaching is going on at 3 am when Kenyans need to be cared for? Si ni kazi tu?

If you say self sponsored should not be paid for services rendered then make the training 9 to 5 like any other non medical masters (this suggestion is tongue in cheek because it will produce quarks and Kenya would go backward)

Perhaps the way forward is to define learning time and work time ands pay guys For work time.
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bwenyenye
#43 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 8:22:54 AM
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@ Kamundu.... Thank you for giving your side. However,I think Doctors in Kenya still feel they are kings and everyone owes them a good living!!! The problem is that many docs ( Not all) went into this for the money. They have however realized that only the specialists actually make good money and that is after many years of painstaking growth. The younger ones are not willing to put in the hours needed but want instant cash. If you want to do a masters program, either save up and pay for it like all of us or work for it. You cannot have it both ways! eti you earn money and a masters at the same time. No one owes docs a living boss. You need to earn it like the rest of us.

If you got family, then hold up the masters till when you can pay for it or better still get a loan and pay for it like we all do.
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Impunity
#44 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:06:17 AM
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@ Kamundu.... Thank you for giving your side. However,I think Doctors in Kenya still feel they are kings and everyone owes them a good living!!! The problem is that many docs ( Not all) went into this for the money. They have however realized that only the specialists actually make good money and that is after many years of painstaking growth. The younger ones are not willing to put in the hours needed but want instant cash. If you want to do a masters program, either save up and pay for it like all of us or work for it. You cannot have it both ways! eti you earn money and a masters at the same time. No one owes docs a living boss. You need to earn it like the rest of us.

If you got family, then hold up the masters till when you can pay for it or better still get a loan and pay for it like we all do.


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Mkimwa
#45 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 9:24:11 AM
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Interns salaries have been paid already.

On the issue of registrars, these doctors (yes, they are already doctors) give their services to KNH. You can argue that its "training", in actual sense, they run the hospital. The journey to become a specialist is a gruelling 11 years. They need to be paid for providing expert services to the givt (KNH).

As a country, we have a huge shortfall in terms of doctors. We have very few specialists, and the situation will remain the same for, its time to change some of these policies to grow the country. The government can even tie them for a number of years after training them - a tie in clause in their contracts would suffice.
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kamundu
#46 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 2:35:20 PM
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Im quite amused at how you guys are quite negative about this. I dont know of any residency program in the world that doesnt compensate registrars for work done after learning hours. Thats why doctors here are forced to go to those private hospitals to hustle to make ends meet.
fYI the govt set aside 200m after last years strike to pay residents and pay university fees for the government staff. This money was misappropriated and never reached UoN. Hence the strike.

Doctors are human too. You cant expect a 30 something old guy with two kids and a wife and no income working 70hours a week to be at his best when treating patients. Be considerate
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digitek1
#47 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:37:49 PM
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bwenyenye wrote:
@ Kamundu.... Thank you for giving your side. However,I think Doctors in Kenya still feel they are kings and everyone owes them a good living!!! The problem is that many docs ( Not all) went into this for the money. They have however realized that only the specialists actually make good money and that is after many years of painstaking growth. The younger ones are not willing to put in the hours needed but want instant cash. If you want to do a masters program, either save up and pay for it like all of us or work for it. You cannot have it both ways! eti you earn money and a masters at the same time. No one owes docs a living boss. You need to earn it like the rest of us.

If you got family, then hold up the masters till when you can pay for it or better still get a loan and pay for it like we all do.

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digitek1
#48 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:42:25 PM
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ati some of them parrarell doctors dont want to work huko mashinani. Hence they resign/go back to school and promptly go to private hosp after being trained by taxpayer.
the best thing is for HELB to pay them then they can pay back once they finish
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alma
#49 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 3:44:24 PM
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bwenyenye wrote:
@ Kamundu.... Thank you for giving your side. However,I think Doctors in Kenya still feel they are kings and everyone owes them a good living!!! The problem is that many docs ( Not all) went into this for the money. They have however realized that only the specialists actually make good money and that is after many years of painstaking growth. The younger ones are not willing to put in the hours needed but want instant cash. If you want to do a masters program, either save up and pay for it like all of us or work for it. You cannot have it both ways! eti you earn money and a masters at the same time. No one owes docs a living boss. You need to earn it like the rest of us.

If you got family, then hold up the masters till when you can pay for it or better still get a loan and pay for it like we all do.


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tycho
#50 Posted : Thursday, September 06, 2012 5:08:51 PM
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bwenyenye wrote:
@ Kamundu.... Thank you for giving your side. However,I think Doctors in Kenya still feel they are kings and everyone owes them a good living!!! The problem is that many docs ( Not all) went into this for the money. They have however realized that only the specialists actually make good money and that is after many years of painstaking growth. The younger ones are not willing to put in the hours needed but want instant cash. If you want to do a masters program, either save up and pay for it like all of us or work for it. You cannot have it both ways! eti you earn money and a masters at the same time. No one owes docs a living boss. You need to earn it like the rest of us.

If you got family, then hold up the masters till when you can pay for it or better still get a loan and pay for it like we all do.


I can remember my parents and other adults around me extolling the virtues of being a doctor to any child who exhibited some ability to do well in exams. Doctors were supposed to be the cream of intellectual achievement.

The way government deals with the issue of health care is partly responsible for this. Even now, doctors are on high demand. A place like Kibera has a population in the order of hundred thousands, but less than twenty doctors.

In a hospital like KNH one feels blessed if he/she ever gets to see a doctor without much waiting and postponement.

Doctors in Kenya are overwhelmed. And you can imagine the pressure on the young doctors to serve and acquire other levels of competence.

I can not say that these doctors have no legitimate concerns. And Nyong'o plus all of us bear the burden of finding the best solutions to these doctor's concerns.
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