Asking for EVIDENCE to back allegations of land grabbing by Mzee Kenyatta is asking too much from ordinary Kenyans.
Does lack of evidence from ordinary Kenyans amount to innocence? NO!
I think when common law was developing, common sense was the key ingredient. My common sense tells me, it is not possible to own swathes of land in a far place like Taita,if you hail from Kiambu.
You can argue that he bought it,i give you that. How about the fund that was set after the white settlers left, was it not for the original land owners to get funds to re-purchase their land? Maybe there was no such fund.As a president, how moral is it, for you to buy land,swathes of it,when you know the original owners are squatters? Thousands of hectares when the populace you lead is landless?
That was the dad's fault,not Uhuru's, you may say. Then how is he going to address historical injustices like the above,the alleged assassinations? HOW? Create some land from thin air for the original owners of the land now owned by the Kenyatta's?
Maybe the numbers will be on his side and win the next general elections,then ICC, then what next? We have a Bashir? Bashir has the Arab money bags,what does Kenya have? Who's drilling the Turkana oil? Tullow. He becomes a Bashir, the drilling stops. I heard today the Japanese gave a 29bn loan for by-passes in Mombasa, that will stop too.
Nobody knows what will happen with the ICC,it's like a dark cloud, no one knows what's inside.
So why take the whole country thru' such uncertainties,just for someone? Why risk your daily bread for someone who never risked for anyone? [Watch out what you throw in response].
You may call it fear-mongering, but unless and until you tell me how the whole thing gonna play out, you will let me monger.

It's not worth it. At all it's not,to take the country into the miasma of uncertainty.
I voted twice for Kibaki,2002 and 2007, because i believed he would transform the country.He has to some extend,but i'm not happy with what happened after 2007.I'm not happy with him side-stepping the law. Now we need a different kind of leader,someone who can [sensibly] address the historical injustices. Somebody not afraid to step on people's toes. I remember during the Mau evictions, i read on this very Wazua people saying "RAO amejimaliza" and i wondered, "Is Mau,the waters and rivers from Mau, RAO's property"? Ain't it for the good of all if Mau is protected,rains fall,Maasai Mara quenched? When it rains,is it RAO who gets the rains? The masqueraders[Uhuru,Kalonzo,Musalia etc] were busy looking at their interests, at the nation's peril. [the omission of Ruto's name is deliberate]
When demolitions for by-passes started in 2003/4, i remember even Kibaki backed away, saying it was RAO[then roads minister] demolishing people's sweat [houses]. Who uses the by-passes now? I gez RAO, all by himself.
With the way things are looking now, that's the kind of guy i would like as my president.
But i have only one vote and the numbers might not be on our side and so, Uhuru might end up winning, well let him win, without my vote. Then i will sit back and watch the Kanu days crawl back, into our sitting rooms and into the bedrooms. Uhuru has been going against the law with the budget several times. He never fought for the new constitution,he was not decisive months before last referendum until he was sure it was safe to be on the YES side. I don't think he has passion for the reforms/constitution.

Asking for EVIDENCE to back allegations of land grabbing by Mzee Kenyatta is asking too much from ordinary Kenyans.
Does lack of evidence from ordinary Kenyans amount to innocence? NO!
I think when common law was developing, common sense was the key ingredient. My common sense tells me, it is not possible to own swathes of land in a far place like Taita,if you hail from Kiambu.
You can argue that he bought it,i give you that. How about the fund that was set after the white settlers left, was it not for the original land owners to get funds to re-purchase their land? Maybe there was no such fund.As a president, how moral is it, for you to buy land,swathes of it,when you know the original owners are squatters? Thousands of hectares when the populace you lead is landless?
That was the dad's fault,not Uhuru's, you may say. Then how is he going to address historical injustices like the above,the alleged assassinations? HOW? Create some land from thin air for the original owners of the land now owned by the Kenyatta's?
Maybe the numbers will be on his side and win the next general elections,then ICC, then what next? We have a Bashir? Bashir has the Arab money bags,what does Kenya have? Who's drilling the Turkana oil? Tullow. He becomes a Bashir, the drilling stops. I heard today the Japanese gave a 29bn loan for by-passes in Mombasa, that will stop too.
Nobody knows what will happen with the ICC,it's like a dark cloud, no one knows what's inside.
So why take the whole country thru' such uncertainties,just for someone? Why risk your daily bread for someone who never risked for anyone? [Watch out what you throw in response].
You may call it fear-mongering, but unless and until you tell me how the whole thing gonna play out, you will let me monger.

It's not worth it. At all it's not,to take the country into the miasma of uncertainty.
I voted twice for Kibaki,2002 and 2007, because i believed he would transform the country.He has to some extend,but i'm not happy with what happened after 2007.I'm not happy with him side-stepping the law. Now we need a different kind of leader,someone who can [sensibly] address the historical injustices. Somebody not afraid to step on people's toes. I remember during the Mau evictions, i read on this very Wazua people saying "RAO amejimaliza" and i wondered, "Is Mau,the waters and rivers from Mau, RAO's property"? Ain't it for the good of all if Mau is protected,rains fall,Maasai Mara quenched? When it rains,is it RAO who gets the rains? The masqueraders[Uhuru,Kalonzo,Musalia etc] were busy looking at their interests, at the nation's peril. [the omission of Ruto's name is deliberate]
When demolitions for by-passes started in 2003/4, i remember even Kibaki backed away, saying it was RAO[then roads minister] demolishing people's sweat [houses]. Who uses the by-passes now? I gez RAO, all by himself.
With the way things are looking now, that's the kind of guy i would like as my president.
But i have only one vote and the numbers might not be on our side and so, Uhuru might end up winning, well let him win, without my vote. Then i will sit back and watch the Kanu days crawl back, into our sitting rooms and into the bedrooms. Uhuru has been going against the law with the budget several times. He never fought for the new constitution,he was not decisive months before last referendum until he was sure it was safe to be on the YES side. I don't think he has passion for the reforms/constitution.

UK is not my preferred candidate, as someone has pointed out i also don't think either him of RAO deserve to be President but kama its between those two then he'll have my vote. If it was about issues then i would not be talking about these two because they both belong in the crop of politicians we need to get rid of if we are to achieve anything as a country.

oh now i have problem!!!so i should side with your opinion be realistic or visit the mashinani guys the thought of another mt kenya presidency is not being entertained at all!

Pardon me for turning this thread into a discussion on MK and RAO but i just want to understand your point of view. In 2002 almost all Kenyans voted for Mk what i want to know is what has RAO done since 2007 that has made you think otherwise of him. Don't you think the part highlighted in red contradicts with what you stated in you previous post. If your ideal candidate is PK then why don't just vote for him instead of going for the next worst person after UK.

UK is not my preferred candidate, as someone has pointed out i also don't think either him of RAO deserve to be President but kama its between those two then he'll have my vote. If it was about issues then i would not be talking about these two because they both belong in the crop of politicians we need to get rid of if we are to achieve anything as a country. I believe the reason why most RAO supporters want the race to be between him and UK is because they feel Kenyans will always have issues with the Kenyatta family (historical injustices), the ICC and the fact that he is a kikuyu. In my opinion if we elect UK, no matter what he does or does not do, hizi kelele will go on for the next 5 years...same goes for RAO.

One of the reason why i have never been a supporter of RAO is because he has been in govt since siku za Moi (in very powerful positions) but always maintains that he can only bring change as President. We seem to forget that since 2002 we have not had any official opposition to check on the government.....they've all been part of the govt sasa they are telling us ati its time for change and reforms, please!

Numbers or No numbers mimi na mama(Martha Karua) mpaka kwa debe.

I have never seen her contradict herself...ama kuregarega...toughness is in her DNA.

In all her ministries I saw a worker and A doer not yip yapping all the time.

The reason I dont Believe(TNA)or eat Oranges is because there is no difference btwn this Two one Is capitalist and the other socialist but are happy with the status quo.

Their politics are nothing like thier Fathers...take Odinga's father for instance he fought for the right of all kenyans and in terms of development he influenced the Russians to build state of the art Hospital in Kisumu...Mind you he was not a president...what has Raila done for his pple Nothing.

Uhuru is nothing like his father,to unite kenyans Kenyatta chose Moi to be his vicepresident and eventually passed the mantle to him even when his kitchen cabinet was against it...Thats how nationalist roll.Uhuru who was in ODM jumped ship just days to an election to support his own tribesman...Thats just shows the caliber of a leader we are dealing with.