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kenmac
#41 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 9:20:16 PM
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the judges are very pissed with mr. otieno.

poor grammer, bad memory, very tensed, ....not a very helpful witness to mr. ali.
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#42 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 9:32:06 PM
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stupid Otieno saying that he is not aware that mungiki were in Naivasha !! And by saying this he was meant to be helping Ali ?? Bure kabisa ...he was more of a prosecution witness !
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#43 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 9:36:10 PM
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i think we can only blame Ali's defence lawyers.just like the other witnesses,he was saying what he was coached to say before the court
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#44 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 9:36:17 PM
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On the flipside, has Oti demystified the allegation of police inaction and bias? Aside fm him completely pissing Trendafilova, the prosecution still failed to NAIL Ali thr this witness. It spent all it's time trying to controvert the witness rather than fix the police/Ali. My 2 Ksh.
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#45 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 9:56:54 PM
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simonkabz wrote:
Aside fm him completely pissing Trendafilova

ekaterina was pissed, but i don't think the witness was looking at the defense side to get any hints on how to answer the question, maybe he was intimidated by the look on the judges faces hence decided to look at the familiar aces i.e the defense
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#46 Posted : Monday, October 03, 2011 10:38:35 PM
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jimmy1 wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Aside fm him completely pissing Trendafilova

ekaterina was pissed, but i don't think the witness was looking at the defense side to get any hints on how to answer the question, maybe he was intimidated by the look on the judges faces hence decided to look at the familiar aces i.e the defense

I thought so too. Then when someone is not articulate it becomes harder. That's a hot seat at the witness box, and many of us would be cringing were we in his shoes. All of us in Kenya would understand his behavior and reaction, so lets not crucify the poor man. But he did show police were as helpful as they could with their stretched resources.
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#47 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2011 6:40:10 AM
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Otieno was a mistake!

The defence counsel should have noticed this well in time.

I guess his account wont be relied upon.

That is not to mean Ali's case gets any worse.

In fact the lawyers presentation was enough.

Despite Otieno, it has become clear that the Police didnt deliberately let Mungiki attack people in Naivasha and Nakuru.

That lets Ali off the hook.
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Lolest!
#48 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:16:38 AM
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The prosecution was trying to show that Otieno is unreliable. I think they achieved it. However he did not in any way implicate Ali or the police or mungiki
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#49 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2011 8:20:09 AM
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Lolest! wrote:
The prosecution was trying to show that Otieno is unreliable. I think they achieved it. However he did not in any way implicate Ali or the police or mungiki


Think about this way. Most of the Waki Report and KNHRC reports are based on accounts of such witnesses. Now, if some of the witnesses proves unreliable, not sure of what they are saying or couched how reliable is the waki report? Consider also that Prosecution is also heavily relying on those 2 reports.

To the learned friends on wazua. If a witness gives 2 differents accounts of the same event, which one is dismissed?

IMO Otieno's accounts might just be what the judges needs to ask LMO to go do proper investigations.
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#50 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2011 9:06:49 AM
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jimmy1 wrote:
simonkabz wrote:
Aside fm him completely pissing Trendafilova

ekaterina was pissed, but i don't think the witness was looking at the defense side to get any hints on how to answer the question, maybe he was intimidated by the look on the judges faces hence decided to look at the familiar aces i.e the defense

Who said you must maintain eye contact with the judges or prosecutor? Is it in the statutes? Trendafilova was provoking Otieno. You have to take someone the way they are, if shy, not a good stage actor etc. The courts interest should have been what Otieno was ssying and not where he was looking unless he was taking cue (que) from a source.


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