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McReggae
#41 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:53:15 PM
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bwenyenye wrote:
Lolest! wrote:
Impunity wrote:
RAO has always been on either the Hague or refferal, but not defferal.

Deferral and referral are the same.

Shame on you Shame on you Shame on you

Referral; the cases are handled in ( referred to) Kenya instead of the ICC."...The ICC refers the case to Kenya after Kenya has established a credible local tribunal..."Deferral; The cases are heard at the ICC but the dates are pushed forward to a later date...."the ICC stops dealing with the kenyan case give Kenya time to set up local tribuinal to which the cases can be referred to..."
Ooops! Did I just comment on a politics thread!!


For me there is a difference!!!!!
..."Wewe ni mtu mdogo sana....na mwenye amekuandika pia ni mtu mdogo sana!".
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nostoppingthis
#42 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2011 12:54:32 PM
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@Just Blazing, if this process turns into targeting the ones with political responsibility, then your guess is as good as mine who will fry the most....but if it is about financing and organizing the attacks (this is what MO is after), the case may be limited to a few individuals...
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selah
#43 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:01:13 PM
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nostoppingthis wrote:
@Selah, I disagree, those pushing for referral want to fry their own and those pushing for deferral have no intention of achieveing justice...Justice delayed, is justice denied...


that is a matter of conjecture since after one year if a competent local tribunal is not formed it goes back to the ICC..Thats the argument I believe, of those championing for the deferral.
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Lolest!
#44 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:04:08 PM
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It was Hague vs Local Tribunal, now its deferral vs referral. Our politicians are either the brightest creatures on the planet or we are extremely daft.
Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
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selah
#45 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:15:21 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
It was Hague vs Local Tribunal, now its deferral vs referral. Our politicians are either the brightest creatures on the planet or we are extremely daft.


Lolest.
'......to the acknowledgment of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ; 3 In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.' Colossians 2:2-3
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Jus Blazin
#46 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2011 1:21:37 PM
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Lolest! wrote:
It was Hague vs Local Tribunal, now its deferral vs referral. Our politicians are either the brightest creatures on the planet or we are extremely daft.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Now its all Local Tribunal: Referral vs Deferral. And we still wonder how lawyers mint money... If the means and end product are the same, what's the difference?
Luck is when Preparation meets Opportunity. ~ Lucius Annaeus Seneca
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nostoppingthis
#47 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:07:15 PM
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selah wrote:
nostoppingthis wrote:
@Selah, I disagree, those pushing for referral want to fry their own and those pushing for deferral have no intention of achieveing justice...Justice delayed, is justice denied...


that is a matter of conjecture since after one year if a competent local tribunal is not formed it goes back to the ICC..Thats the argument I believe, of those championing for the deferral.


Big question is, when Local Tribunal was proposed initially, same individuals opposed it, now change on mind a third time...
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YesuWangu
#48 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:19:44 PM
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newfarer wrote:
Wont be surprised to see a change of tune on the other faction of the govt.Tumezoea hii shifting of gears.

I imagine PNU and simon saying 'dont be vague lets go to hague'.This is not far fetched


I think so too. Maybe now that odm is for this, their opponents will just switch to being pro hague. Its automatic, these things.....
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Mtu Biz
#49 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:22:28 PM
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This cartoon network Kenyan politics is on a whole other level.
Sola Scriptura
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Lolest!
#50 Posted : Wednesday, March 23, 2011 2:36:54 PM
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I dont see this happening. PNU is driven by the need to protect its own from prosecution. ODMs main driving force is 2012.
YesuWangu wrote:
newfarer wrote:
Wont be surprised to see a change of tune on the other faction of the govt.Tumezoea hii shifting of gears.

I imagine PNU and simon saying 'dont be vague lets go to hague'.This is not far fetched


I think so too. Maybe now that odm is for this, their opponents will just switch to being pro hague. Its automatic, these things.....

Laughing out loudly smile Applause d'oh! Sad Drool Liar Shame on you Pray
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