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#4951 Posted : Wednesday, September 28, 2016 5:17:40 PM
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DB's troubles are now making headline news after simmering on the sidelines for what seems like forever. The masses get to understand the seriousness of the situation after it is too late.

At current market price - near single digit - DB is trading at about 30% of its book value. For comparison purposes, that is similar to NBK. In addition, its AT1/CoCo bonds are trading at 70% of par. This means raising new capital is not a ready option since there will be no takers if any.

Most European banks suffer from the same symptoms more or less. For now it is a question of how long confidence in the global banking system can last coz everything else is in tatters.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
alutacontinua
#4952 Posted : Wednesday, September 28, 2016 9:12:05 PM
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lochaz-index wrote:
DB's troubles are now making headline news after simmering on the sidelines for what seems like forever. The masses get to understand the seriousness of the situation after it is too late.

At current market price - near single digit - DB is trading at about 30% of its book value. For comparison purposes, that is similar to NBK. In addition, its AT1/CoCo bonds are trading at 70% of par. This means raising new capital is not a ready option since there will be no takers if any.

Most European banks suffer from the same symptoms more or less. For now it is a question of how long confidence in the global banking system can last coz everything else is in tatters.


@lochaz now there is talk of merging it with CommerzBank d'oh! d'oh!
Thinking its a matter of "Too Big To Fail"
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lochaz-index
#4953 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2016 4:09:42 PM
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alutacontinua wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
DB's troubles are now making headline news after simmering on the sidelines for what seems like forever. The masses get to understand the seriousness of the situation after it is too late.

At current market price - near single digit - DB is trading at about 30% of its book value. For comparison purposes, that is similar to NBK. In addition, its AT1/CoCo bonds are trading at 70% of par. This means raising new capital is not a ready option since there will be no takers if any.

Most European banks suffer from the same symptoms more or less. For now it is a question of how long confidence in the global banking system can last coz everything else is in tatters.


@lochaz now there is talk of merging it with CommerzBank d'oh! d'oh!
Thinking its a matter of "Too Big To Fail"

Unfortunately it is a lot more complicated than that and a merger with Commerzbank won't solve anything. My thinking is those merger talks are idle chatter.

Not only is Deutsche bank 'too big to fail' it is also 'too big to bail'. Both Germany and the EU can't afford a bailout in the magnitude required for DB's rescue especially in the current circumstances. Germany wouldn't want a situation where a corporate insolvency turns into a sovereign one. Back in 2008 Ireland made that mistake with Anglo-Irish bank. DB is several times bigger and likewise with regards to its derivatives exposure.

Chopping/spinning off profitable/liquid assets is a short-term ploy to stay afloat and maintain a semblance of normalcy. It can't work for long vis a vis its leverage ratio.

Raising capital is becoming a dead end the more its stock plunges and even if they were to pull this off I doubt they would raise much. The same applies for debt.

As far as a bail-in is concerned, many depositors won't just sit and wait for a massive haircut if they have the chance to take their cash and run. In addition, this particular course of action has extensive systemic consequences for other German and European banks. Cyprus comes to mind.

Setting up a bad bank - good bank kind of rescue strategy would have worked if this was about DB's loan book/deteriorating asset quality but again even that will come up short in relation to DB.

In all fairness to Germany, this DB situation has all the makings of doomed if you do and doomed if you don't. The die appears to have been cast.
The main purpose of the stock market is to make fools of as many people as possible.
alutacontinua
#4954 Posted : Thursday, September 29, 2016 9:05:49 PM
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lochaz-index wrote:
alutacontinua wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
DB's troubles are now making headline news after simmering on the sidelines for what seems like forever. The masses get to understand the seriousness of the situation after it is too late.

At current market price - near single digit - DB is trading at about 30% of its book value. For comparison purposes, that is similar to NBK. In addition, its AT1/CoCo bonds are trading at 70% of par. This means raising new capital is not a ready option since there will be no takers if any.

Most European banks suffer from the same symptoms more or less. For now it is a question of how long confidence in the global banking system can last coz everything else is in tatters.


@lochaz now there is talk of merging it with CommerzBank d'oh! d'oh!
Thinking its a matter of "Too Big To Fail"

Unfortunately it is a lot more complicated than that and a merger with Commerzbank won't solve anything. My thinking is those merger talks are idle chatter.

Not only is Deutsche bank 'too big to fail' it is also 'too big to bail'. Both Germany and the EU can't afford a bailout in the magnitude required for DB's rescue especially in the current circumstances. Germany wouldn't want a situation where a corporate insolvency turns into a sovereign one. Back in 2008 Ireland made that mistake with Anglo-Irish bank. DB is several times bigger and likewise with regards to its derivatives exposure.

Chopping/spinning off profitable/liquid assets is a short-term ploy to stay afloat and maintain a semblance of normalcy. It can't work for long vis a vis its leverage ratio.

Raising capital is becoming a dead end the more its stock plunges and even if they were to pull this off I doubt they would raise much. The same applies for debt.

As far as a bail-in is concerned, many depositors won't just sit and wait for a massive haircut if they have the chance to take their cash and run. In addition, this particular course of action has extensive systemic consequences for other German and European banks. Cyprus comes to mind.

Setting up a bad bank - good bank kind of rescue strategy would have worked if this was about DB's loan book/deteriorating asset quality but again even that will come up short in relation to DB.

In all fairness to Germany, this DB situation has all the makings of doomed if you do and doomed if you don't. The die appears to have been cast.


Thanks for sharing your take on it @Lochaz.

Just having a look at the madness going on with its share price (DOWN 8%) .....Dax now down 300+ points (-1.4%)

http://www.bloomberg.com...ce-collateral-on-trades

News on the wire is that about 10 Hedge Funds have cut their exposure to the bank.
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lochaz-index
#4955 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2016 5:26:28 PM
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alutacontinua wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
alutacontinua wrote:
lochaz-index wrote:
DB's troubles are now making headline news after simmering on the sidelines for what seems like forever. The masses get to understand the seriousness of the situation after it is too late.

At current market price - near single digit - DB is trading at about 30% of its book value. For comparison purposes, that is similar to NBK. In addition, its AT1/CoCo bonds are trading at 70% of par. This means raising new capital is not a ready option since there will be no takers if any.

Most European banks suffer from the same symptoms more or less. For now it is a question of how long confidence in the global banking system can last coz everything else is in tatters.


@lochaz now there is talk of merging it with CommerzBank d'oh! d'oh!
Thinking its a matter of "Too Big To Fail"

Unfortunately it is a lot more complicated than that and a merger with Commerzbank won't solve anything. My thinking is those merger talks are idle chatter.

Not only is Deutsche bank 'too big to fail' it is also 'too big to bail'. Both Germany and the EU can't afford a bailout in the magnitude required for DB's rescue especially in the current circumstances. Germany wouldn't want a situation where a corporate insolvency turns into a sovereign one. Back in 2008 Ireland made that mistake with Anglo-Irish bank. DB is several times bigger and likewise with regards to its derivatives exposure.

Chopping/spinning off profitable/liquid assets is a short-term ploy to stay afloat and maintain a semblance of normalcy. It can't work for long vis a vis its leverage ratio.

Raising capital is becoming a dead end the more its stock plunges and even if they were to pull this off I doubt they would raise much. The same applies for debt.

As far as a bail-in is concerned, many depositors won't just sit and wait for a massive haircut if they have the chance to take their cash and run. In addition, this particular course of action has extensive systemic consequences for other German and European banks. Cyprus comes to mind.

Setting up a bad bank - good bank kind of rescue strategy would have worked if this was about DB's loan book/deteriorating asset quality but again even that will come up short in relation to DB.

In all fairness to Germany, this DB situation has all the makings of doomed if you do and doomed if you don't. The die appears to have been cast.


Thanks for sharing your take on it @Lochaz.

Just having a look at the madness going on with its share price (DOWN 8%) .....Dax now down 300+ points (-1.4%)

http://www.bloomberg.com...ce-collateral-on-trades

News on the wire is that about 10 Hedge Funds have cut their exposure to the bank.

Well, the guys at zero hedge share the idea that Deutsche bank is royally screwed and they also aver that none of the four options available to the bank is good enough.
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Which ultimately means that DB really has four options: raise capital (sell equity, convert CoCos, which may results in an even bigger drop in the stock price due to dilution or concerns the liquidity raise may not be sufficient), approach the ECB for a liquidity bridge (this may also backfire as counterparties scramble to flee a central bank-backstopped institution), appeal for a state bailout (Merkel has so far said "Nein") or implement a bail-in, eliminating billions in unsecured claims (and deposits) and leading to a full-blown systemic bank run as depositors everywhere rush to withdraw their savings, leading to a collapse of the fractional reserve banking mode (in which there is only 10 cents in physical deliverable cash for every dollar in depositor claims).

http://www.zerohedge.com...nt-and-what-happens-next
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TheGeek
#4956 Posted : Friday, September 30, 2016 10:59:56 PM
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Who is watching this Nutanix IPO ?
In the world of securities, courage and patience become the supreme virtues after adequate knowledge and a tested judgment are at hand.
hisah
#4957 Posted : Tuesday, October 04, 2016 2:40:47 PM
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FTSE 100 soars above 7,000 as pound hits new 31-year low

Finally FTSE powers above 7000 level. Currently trading at 7114 just a few points shy of the April 2015 high at 7123. Expected targets are 7550 and 7950 from here. As for the pound the long way down continues, which ensures that the USD continues getting muscular.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
hisah
#4958 Posted : Wednesday, October 05, 2016 4:19:39 PM
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Emerging Equity Rally Wins Converts as Bearish Bets Slide

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Months of skepticism on the sustainability of a rally in emerging-market stocks is waning, if short sellers are any guide. Bearish bets on the iShares MSCI Emerging Markets Index fell to a two-year low at the end of last week, an indication that investors have greater conviction this year’s 15 percent advance in the benchmark gauge has further to run.
$15/barrel oil... The commodities lehman moment arrives as well as Sovereign debt volcano!
lochaz-index
#4959 Posted : Friday, October 07, 2016 1:51:07 PM
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The naira has been through one tough roller coaster. The official devaluation downgraded it from 190 to 300+ vs the dollar in four months(June through to September) whilst the black market rate is still north of 400 having clocked a gruesome 436 about two weeks ago.

Having extended a zero interest loan to Nigeria, the IMF is pressing for further debasement and a fuel hike.

http://www.vanguardngr.c...itions-tough-handle-fg/

KE has taken two precautionary loans in two years, will it find itself in the same predicament in one years time?
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lochaz-index
#4960 Posted : Tuesday, October 11, 2016 9:25:10 AM
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These supranational bodies have been on a confession/revelation spree of late. The IMF continues the trend just falling short of blaming themselves for the inequalities, disparities and tepid economic growth for the past decade.
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The World Bank, IMF and WTO can sense that they are sitting on the edge of a volcano that could blow at any time. They fear, rightly, that a second big crash within a decade would create a backlash leading to protectionism and the rise of dark political forces that would be difficult, if not impossible, to control.

We have been waiting for this volcano to erupt for a long time. The earlier it happens the better.
https://www.theguardian....olicies-are-the-problem
Another interesting snippet from the same article and a warning to KE now that we have effectively shackled ourselves to these international skylocks.
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The Jubilee Debt Campaign (JDC) has been keeping a close eye on Ghana, which grew strongly after oil was discovered and commodity prices were rising, but was left exposed by the subsequent crash. More money was then borrowed to blunt the impact of the commodity price fall, but the halving of the Ghanaian currency, the cedi, meant that debt-servicing costs increased. Almost one-third of Ghana’s budget is spent on external debt servicing.

In early 2015, the IMF and World Bank said Ghana was at high risk of being unable to pay its debts. Seven months later, the World Bank guaranteed $400m of repayments on a £1bn bond sold to private investors. It had to waive its rules to do so, because the World Bank is not supposed to guarantee loans to countries at high risk of distress.

The World Bank said it was trying to help refinance expensive short-term debt and free up resources that could be used for investment, but the winners of this arrangement are the speculators getting a 10.75% return, who will make money even if Ghana can’t repay the loan, due to the World Bank guarantee. The losers will be the Ghanaian people, who will be subject to austerity under the terms of a new IMF programme. Ghana is planning spending cuts by 2017 of 20% per head on 2012 levels.

Sub-Saharan Africa is not a homogeneous region. Some countries are still growing strongly, helped by declining energy prices. But Ghana is not the only country to fall foul of the boom and bust cycle in commodities, and the JDC is highlighting the risk of a fresh debt crisis.

Neither the World Bank nor the IMF consider this a serious threat. Kim said last week: “I am not yet concerned that we’re reaching a debt level crisis, certainly not in most of sub-Saharan Africa. But we have to watch it.”
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