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https://gomovies.to/film...watching.html?ep=140163
long documentary by Micheal Moore but worth the two hours spent watching it more so if you view it from a Kenyan point of view, it aptly captures the situation in Kenya now 'One headache for famous medieval holy people was that someone might murder you to acquire your body parts for the relics trade'
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,040 Location: GA
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kaka2za wrote:Looks like the real battle is RAO Vs IEBC! He is also now fighting independents in his strongholds "nikama jubilee"
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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Wakanyugi wrote:ecstacy wrote:As at 20/05/2017, feelings aside, does anyone really believe ex-PM Raila will beat incumbent Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta?
Does Raila Odinga himself really believe he will beat Uhuru Kenyatta in 2017? Lol Jubilee is beatable. Imagine a disciplined opponent who hammers on their key missteps: corruption, tribalism, insecurity and keeps reminding Kenyans that 'Uhuru tano tena' is actually 'Uhuruto kumi na tano tena' But to benefit from this situation would require a disciplined approach and the presentation of a clear alternative vision, otherwise people will go with the devil they know. I am afraid Rao is not capable of such discipline (see his fights with IEBC) and in any case the confusion in the house of NASA will make it almost impossible. How is it that, this late in the day, they don't even have a running mate? The only people going all in are RAO and MDVD, so where is the commitment to win? So yes I agree with you. Jubilee is beatable but the team to beat them is not the one in the field. So sad. I agree 100%. An organised opposition can beat Jubilee hands down! Unfortunately,NASA is built to fail. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,389
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/16/2011 Posts: 2,389
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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ecstacy wrote:As at 20/05/2017, feelings aside, does anyone really believe ex-PM Raila will beat incumbent Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta?
Does Raila Odinga himself really believe he will beat Uhuru Kenyatta in 2017? Lol This was the 2013 elections results (From page 129) https://www.cartercenter.../kenya-final-101613.pdf
Over the last 5 years, nothing has changed, each side retains their 2013 strong holds, the fight will be over the swing votes which mostly were won by Cord. I know the chorus here has changed as the conversation is mostly one sided but that doesn't mean the other silent side has thrown in the towel. The Uhuruto govt did not deliver on any of their promises, as long as NASA packages their fight in a coherent way, it should be a coin toss. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:ecstacy wrote:As at 20/05/2017, feelings aside, does anyone really believe ex-PM Raila will beat incumbent Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta?
Does Raila Odinga himself really believe he will beat Uhuru Kenyatta in 2017? Lol This was the 2013 elections results https://www.cartercenter.../kenya-final-101613.pdf
Over the last 5 years, nothing has changed, each side retains their 2013 strong holds, the fight will be over the swing votes which mostly were won by Cord. I know the chorus here has changed as the conversation is mostly one sided but that doesn't mean the other silent side has thrown in the towel. The Uhuruto govt did not deliver on any of their promises, as long as NASA packages their fight in a coherent way, it should be a coin toss. Pigs can fly Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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Wakanyugi wrote:ecstacy wrote:As at 20/05/2017, feelings aside, does anyone really believe ex-PM Raila will beat incumbent Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta?
Does Raila Odinga himself really believe he will beat Uhuru Kenyatta in 2017? Lol Jubilee is beatable. Imagine a disciplined opponent who hammers on their key missteps: corruption, tribalism, insecurity and keeps reminding Kenyans that 'Uhuru tano tena' is actually 'Uhuruto kumi na tano tena' But to benefit from this situation would require a disciplined approach and the presentation of a clear alternative vision, otherwise people will go with the devil they know. I am afraid Rao is not capable of such discipline (see his fights with IEBC) and in any case the confusion in the house of NASA will make it almost impossible. How is it that, this late in the day, they don't even have a running mate? The only people going all in are RAO and MDVD, so where is the commitment to win? So yes I agree with you. Jubilee is beatable but the team to beat them is not the one in the field. So sad. Agreed. Add the comparative spectre of campaign finance across the 2 main contestants..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2008 Posts: 4,449
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:ecstacy wrote:As at 20/05/2017, feelings aside, does anyone really believe ex-PM Raila will beat incumbent Kenyan President Uhuru Kenyatta?
Does Raila Odinga himself really believe he will beat Uhuru Kenyatta in 2017? Lol This was the 2013 elections results https://www.cartercenter.../kenya-final-101613.pdf
Over the last 5 years, nothing has changed, each side retains their 2013 strong holds, the fight will be over the swing votes which mostly were won by Cord. I know the chorus here has changed as the conversation is mostly one sided but that doesn't mean the other silent side has thrown in the towel. The Uhuruto govt did not deliver on any of their promises, as long as NASA packages their fight in a coherent way, it should be a coin toss. For actual votes in 2017, are you sure it is the same in Eastern where they were promised 2017 it will be Kalonzo now they hear it is IF Raila won in 2013? For actual votes, are you sure it is the same in Coast? For actual votes, are you sure it is the same in Western where they know their best bet is a position that does not exist in the current constitution? Where Wetangula a Pentagon member is playing multi-bet and running in the Presidential lineup outfit as well as Senator? It does not exactly feel the same.
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