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Law Capping interest rates
ruwesh
#941 Posted : Tuesday, September 06, 2016 4:32:59 PM
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Plimsoul wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Plimsoul wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Plimsoul wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
So it can even be inferred that base rate is 4%?


Yes.

Even 4% of the base rate. Lol


CBK needs to come in soon...else Mr Njoroge's legacy will be the destruction of the banking sector in Kenya. He's already closed 3 down...


Hopefully CBK responds to banks (privately) when they seek clarification/guidance.


As a customer, dont you feel its your right to know the correct interpretation?


Absolutely.

I think this has been terribly mishandled so far.

CBK should have issued clarification with its 14th Sept ultimatum.

But we are customers of banks, not the CBK. It is up to banks to get clarification and pass it on to us.


central bank through their twitter handle confimrs that KBRR currently at 8.9% is the base rate for lending by commercial banks and microfinance banks.
Plimsoul
#942 Posted : Tuesday, September 06, 2016 4:44:42 PM
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I don't see any such tweet. Did they delete something?
Ngalaka
#943 Posted : Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:28:27 PM
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CBK only gives guidelines.
Matters of interpreting the law per se is not its province.
Bear in mind also that the CBK did not sponsor nor advocate for the law - so technically the may not know the real intention of the originators of the law.
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KulaRaha
#944 Posted : Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:35:18 PM
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Ngalaka wrote:
CBK only gives guidelines.
Matters of interpreting the law per se is not its province.
Bear in mind also that the CBK did not sponsor nor advocate for the law - so technically the may not know the real intention of the originators of the law.


The law requires CBK to publish a base rate. Failure to do so will expose the Governor to legal risk.
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obiero
#945 Posted : Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:43:51 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
CBK only gives guidelines.
Matters of interpreting the law per se is not its province.
Bear in mind also that the CBK did not sponsor nor advocate for the law - so technically the may not know the real intention of the originators of the law.


The law requires CBK to publish a base rate. Failure to do so will expose the Governor to legal risk.

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Ngalaka
#946 Posted : Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:46:56 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Ngalaka wrote:
CBK only gives guidelines.
Matters of interpreting the law per se is not its province.
Bear in mind also that the CBK did not sponsor nor advocate for the law - so technically the may not know the real intention of the originators of the law.


The law requires CBK to publish a base rate. Failure to do so will expose the Governor to legal risk.

The question is which of CBR and KBRR are commercial banks to base their interest rates on to borrowers - as per the new law.

Suppose CBK says its KBRR and then the courts rule it ought to be based on CBR!
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Impunity
#947 Posted : Tuesday, September 06, 2016 5:50:14 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
mkate_nusu wrote:
Fellow wazuans, reading is free and it was all over the news

Under the new law, lending rates will be capped at four percentage points above the benchmark central bank rate, which is currently 10.5 per cent, while deposit rates must be at least 70 per cent of the benchmark rate.


The law makes no reference to CBR...just a base rate. What is base?


Seeing is also free.
central bank rate = cbr?

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Plimsoul
#948 Posted : Tuesday, September 06, 2016 7:31:20 PM
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ruwesh wrote:
central bank through their twitter handle confimrs that KBRR currently at 8.9% is the base rate for lending by commercial banks and microfinance banks.


"Earlier today, a ‘MisTweet' mentioning KBRR was posted on @CBKkenya page. CBK apologizes for any inconveniences caused by this Mis-Tweet."

From twitter
newfarer
#949 Posted : Tuesday, September 06, 2016 7:52:10 PM
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Plimsoul wrote:
ruwesh wrote:
central bank through their twitter handle confimrs that KBRR currently at 8.9% is the base rate for lending by commercial banks and microfinance banks.


"Earlier today, a ‘MisTweet' mentioning KBRR was posted on @CBKkenya page. CBK apologizes for any inconveniences caused by this Mis-Tweet."

From twitter


This CBK gavana njoroge will lose the trust respect and goodwill most Kenyans had for him if he continues mishandling this matter. He should clarify the rate asap
punda amecheka
KulaRaha
#950 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:39:09 AM
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Njoroge is starting to look very weak.....ineffective, unrealistic and stuck in analysis paralysis.

One term Governor at best.
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FRM2011
#951 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:44:15 AM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Njoroge is starting to look very weak.....ineffective, unrealistic and stuck in analysis paralysis.

One term Governor at best.


And yet the banksters tremble in fear whenever his name is mentioned.
obiero
#952 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2016 8:58:41 AM
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FRM2011 wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Njoroge is starting to look very weak.....ineffective, unrealistic and stuck in analysis paralysis.

One term Governor at best.


And yet the banksters tremble in fear whenever his name is mentioned.

It's his boss who did that to him.. Njoroge by himself is a God-send

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Internet
#953 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2016 9:14:52 AM
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Will banks now pay 7.35% interest on savings accounts?
streetwise
#954 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2016 12:20:20 PM
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Why is CBK so silent, kwani what rate were they using before ?.
Ericsson
#955 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2016 12:51:57 PM
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@Streetwise
CBK wasn't for it and the governor when asked for comments he said he had nothing to say
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KulaRaha
#956 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2016 12:58:00 PM
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Ericsson wrote:
@Streetwise
CBK wasn't for it and the governor when asked for comments he said he had nothing to say


Abdicating his duty.
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Mainat
#957 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2016 1:12:55 PM
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BS. Njoroge actually did an article on this in the DN and he was a clear as he could be that this was law was ushamba style economics.
If you know anything about this Kenya's economic history, you'd realize this guy is probably one of the best governors we've had so far.

Ericsson wrote:
@Streetwise
CBK wasn't for it and the governor when asked for comments he said he had nothing to say

Sehemu ndio nyumba
Ericsson
#958 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2016 1:46:33 PM
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@KulaRaha
Raha itakumaliza.
Kuwa mpole
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
mkate_nusu
#959 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2016 2:32:14 PM
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KulaRaha wrote:
Njoroge is starting to look very weak.....ineffective, unrealistic and stuck in analysis paralysis.

One term Governor at best.


This is a political mess up and the governor is trying to find an economic solution to the problem. Give him time.
Surely you can't be serious about the one term there is no governor that has come close to Opus Dei performance to date
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KulaRaha
#960 Posted : Wednesday, September 07, 2016 3:15:31 PM
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The law is in force from 14th September. If CBK dont publish a "base rate", what will happen?
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