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Superprime1
#461 Posted : Tuesday, July 03, 2018 11:56:16 AM
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Joined: 5/2/2018
Posts: 267
sparkly wrote:
Mastermind wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
The rally is here with us almost 20% now


levels to look out for if you entered at KES 2.55 are KES 3.4; KES 3.9; KES 4.3; KES 4.7.

I will be happy to exit at 4.7.


The light can at any time go from green to red without passing at yellow.


Now at 3.10


Such a huge demand currently at today's max of 3.35. No sellers. Could it be looking to find a ground higher than 4?
sparkly
#462 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 4:52:23 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
Superprime1 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Mastermind wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
The rally is here with us almost 20% now


levels to look out for if you entered at KES 2.55 are KES 3.4; KES 3.9; KES 4.3; KES 4.7.

I will be happy to exit at 4.7.


The light can at any time go from green to red without passing at yellow.


Now at 3.10


Such a huge demand currently at today's max of 3.35. No sellers. Could it be looking to find a ground higher than 4?


Closed at 3.60 @fyatu, @***** are happy.
Life is short. Live passionately.
sparkly
#463 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 4:58:11 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The conversion price for the ARM shares was 40.
And vvs you were a fan of ARM.

Nope, not a fan (for a few years) but I have watched it with interest. I have no ARM shares though I do regret not buying them at 3/- in the late 90s. I have a few (insignificant) Bamburi bought back in the day.


Your chance to buy at 3 bob. Get a loan Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Life is short. Live passionately.
Superprime1
#464 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 5:51:10 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 5/2/2018
Posts: 267
sparkly wrote:
Superprime1 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Mastermind wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
The rally is here with us almost 20% now


levels to look out for if you entered at KES 2.55 are KES 3.4; KES 3.9; KES 4.3; KES 4.7.

I will be happy to exit at 4.7.


The light can at any time go from green to red without passing at yellow.


Now at 3.10


Such a huge demand currently at today's max of 3.35. No sellers. Could it be looking to find a ground higher than 4?


Closed at 3.60 @fyatu, @***** are happy.

There was quite some profit-taking today, perhaps by those who speculated at 3.30 and below. Huge trades.
xxxxx
#465 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 6:06:59 PM
Rank: Member

Joined: 3/20/2008
Posts: 503
sparkly wrote:
Superprime1 wrote:
sparkly wrote:
Mastermind wrote:
sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
The rally is here with us almost 20% now


levels to look out for if you entered at KES 2.55 are KES 3.4; KES 3.9; KES 4.3; KES 4.7.

I will be happy to exit at 4.7.


The light can at any time go from green to red without passing at yellow.


Now at 3.10


Such a huge demand currently at today's max of 3.35. No sellers. Could it be looking to find a ground higher than 4?


Closed at 3.60 @fyatu, @***** are happy.


I consider @ARMCEMENT my 'workout' investment. These usually translate into some serious gains (multi baggers). Not yet happy at all...and remember that I went all in
VituVingiSana
#466 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 7:59:59 PM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,351
Location: Nairobi
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The conversion price for the ARM shares was 40.
And vvs you were a fan of ARM.

Nope, not a fan (for a few years) but I have watched it with interest. I have no ARM shares though I do regret not buying them at 3/- in the late 90s. I have a few (insignificant) Bamburi bought back in the day.

Your chance to buy at 3 bob. Get a loan Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
So much choice, so little cash!
When do they usually release 1H results?
I remain cautious BUT as @xxxxx said, this could be a multi-bagger if they can get their cashflow problems behind them.

I think @Ericsson said the main lenders are Stanbic and AFC. Any insights on what the two want to do? [Killing off ARM might not be on the agenda but selling off the loss-making TZ biz - like KK did - could provide a lifeline.]
What's CDC's gameplan given it has 40%+ of ARM?
Will PHP be sacked?

I do hope ARM can be turned around since manufacturing is a value-adding industry from adding value to the local/EAC limestone deposits, EAC coal deposits to building in Kenya for Kenyans.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#467 Posted : Wednesday, July 04, 2018 8:35:12 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,809
Location: NAIROBI
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The conversion price for the ARM shares was 40.
And vvs you were a fan of ARM.

Nope, not a fan (for a few years) but I have watched it with interest. I have no ARM shares though I do regret not buying them at 3/- in the late 90s. I have a few (insignificant) Bamburi bought back in the day.

Your chance to buy at 3 bob. Get a loan Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
So much choice, so little cash!
When do they usually release 1H results?
I remain cautious BUT as @xxxxx said, this could be a multi-bagger if they can get their cashflow problems behind them.

I think @Ericsson said the main lenders are Stanbic and AFC. Any insights on what the two want to do? [Killing off ARM might not be on the agenda but selling off the loss-making TZ biz - like KK did - could provide a lifeline.]
What's CDC's gameplan given it has 40%+ of ARM?
Will PHP be sacked?

I do hope ARM can be turned around since manufacturing is a value-adding industry from adding value to the local/EAC limestone deposits, EAC coal deposits to building in Kenya for Kenyans.


Road construction meanwhile we leave it to the chinese for the safety of my car and lower maintenance costs
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
xxxxx
#468 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 12:15:24 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 3/20/2008
Posts: 503
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The conversion price for the ARM shares was 40.
And vvs you were a fan of ARM.

Nope, not a fan (for a few years) but I have watched it with interest. I have no ARM shares though I do regret not buying them at 3/- in the late 90s. I have a few (insignificant) Bamburi bought back in the day.

Your chance to buy at 3 bob. Get a loan Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
So much choice, so little cash!
When do they usually release 1H results?
I remain cautious BUT as @xxxxx said, this could be a multi-bagger if they can get their cashflow problems behind them.

I think @Ericsson said the main lenders are Stanbic and AFC. Any insights on what the two want to do? [Killing off ARM might not be on the agenda but selling off the loss-making TZ biz - like KK did - could provide a lifeline.]
What's CDC's gameplan given it has 40%+ of ARM?
Will PHP be sacked?

I do hope ARM can be turned around since manufacturing is a value-adding industry from adding value to the local/EAC limestone deposits, EAC coal deposits to building in Kenya for Kenyans.



I do not believe PHP will be sacked. In fact, he sounds kind of happy and confident that the tough times are behind us now.

CDC recommended a $50M equity injection, plus a $90M term loan with a 3 year moratorium, plus further working capital lines of around $30M. The proposed tenor for the debt portion of the restructuring was proposed as a maximum of 10 years.

AFC, Stanbic, Aureos and other creditors will be paid off this time Fully using the funding from CDC and their short term debt replaced by CDCs working capital lines as well as part of the term loan facility. So they won't be having a say in the way forward. Recall that the AFC facility was one of the auditors biggest headaches. Its matures fully this year yet at audit time, ARM didn't provide any evidence regarding the source of refinancing to plug its hole.

With regards to the equity injection, finer details haven't yet been confirmed to us so all and sundry can draw their preliminary conclusions between now and when the detailed announcement is made. An additional dilution of $50M to steady the ship is very welcome for me as a current shareholder since it precludes cash calls from me in the very short run. It can do wonders ( Ask the TOTAL guys if in doubt)

Knowing what I know now, I wish I had acquired more of this thing. It's still a strong buy even at current prices if you have the dimez especially because CDC is in for the long haul ( or at least until turn around is completed) and this resolves the Going Concern question which freaked out Deloitte (the External Auditors) at the time of the final audit.

The negatives have been extremely magnified and priced in beyond what was reasonable, understandably so. However, as these fears get dispelled by credible information, I expect a decent price recovery (back to a minimum price of 10 or 15 in the near term.

We must move away from this piecemeal valuation of @ARMCEMENT as if it is not a going concern.

In view of the above, I'd be very disappointed if the Tanzanian plant is disposed of under any circumstances. I think it constitutes a core operational segment of ARM and all information indicates that it will survive.

Ericsson
#469 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 6:02:37 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/4/2009
Posts: 10,809
Location: NAIROBI
xxxxx wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
sparkly wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
The conversion price for the ARM shares was 40.
And vvs you were a fan of ARM.

Nope, not a fan (for a few years) but I have watched it with interest. I have no ARM shares though I do regret not buying them at 3/- in the late 90s. I have a few (insignificant) Bamburi bought back in the day.

Your chance to buy at 3 bob. Get a loan Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
So much choice, so little cash!
When do they usually release 1H results?
I remain cautious BUT as @xxxxx said, this could be a multi-bagger if they can get their cashflow problems behind them.

I think @Ericsson said the main lenders are Stanbic and AFC. Any insights on what the two want to do? [Killing off ARM might not be on the agenda but selling off the loss-making TZ biz - like KK did - could provide a lifeline.]
What's CDC's gameplan given it has 40%+ of ARM?
Will PHP be sacked?

I do hope ARM can be turned around since manufacturing is a value-adding industry from adding value to the local/EAC limestone deposits, EAC coal deposits to building in Kenya for Kenyans.



I do not believe PHP will be sacked. In fact, he sounds kind of happy and confident that the tough times are behind us now.

CDC recommended a $50M equity injection, plus a $90M term loan with a 3 year moratorium, plus further working capital lines of around $30M. The proposed tenor for the debt portion of the restructuring was proposed as a maximum of 10 years.

AFC, Stanbic, Aureos and other creditors will be paid off this time Fully using the funding from CDC and their short term debt replaced by CDCs working capital lines as well as part of the term loan facility. So they won't be having a say in the way forward. Recall that the AFC facility was one of the auditors biggest headaches. Its matures fully this year yet at audit time, ARM didn't provide any evidence regarding the source of refinancing to plug its hole.

With regards to the equity injection, finer details haven't yet been confirmed to us so all and sundry can draw their preliminary conclusions between now and when the detailed announcement is made. An additional dilution of $50M to steady the ship is very welcome for me as a current shareholder since it precludes cash calls from me in the very short run. It can do wonders ( Ask the TOTAL guys if in doubt)

Knowing what I know now, I wish I had acquired more of this thing. It's still a strong buy even at current prices if you have the dimez especially because CDC is in for the long haul ( or at least until turn around is completed) and this resolves the Going Concern question which freaked out Deloitte (the External Auditors) at the time of the final audit.

The negatives have been extremely magnified and priced in beyond what was reasonable, understandably so. However, as these fears get dispelled by credible information, I expect a decent price recovery (back to a minimum price of 10 or 15 in the near term.

We must move away from this piecemeal valuation of @ARMCEMENT as if it is not a going concern.

In view of the above, I'd be very disappointed if the Tanzanian plant is disposed of under any circumstances. I think it constitutes a core operational segment of ARM and all information indicates that it will survive.



Good money been thrown at a bad business.That money CDC will never recover.
Who still buys Rhino Cement.ARM isn't in the top 4 Cement companies.
Mombasa,Savannah Cement took over ARM market share.
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
Juojo
#470 Posted : Thursday, July 05, 2018 10:49:58 AM
Rank: Member

Joined: 7/7/2009
Posts: 41
VituVingiSana wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
Juojo wrote:
Fyatu wrote:
the deal wrote:
, @fyatu I saw the Atlas thread... Why repeat the same mistake? We have alot of Gems at the NSE... Companies like this are not worth it... That HFCK is Gonna explode after the rate cap is removed.... It's a nice contrarian play... Almost same industry as ARM Cement!


@deal Atlas proposition of chancho project was too good to ignore. However, as it turned out, those wazungus were outright criminals that exploited week elements at CMA. I invested in ARM after visiting their factory in Athi river and observing that operations were ongoing i.e., clinker was coming in aand ready mix concrete was coming out. I don't intend to add more shares but rather will hold and weather the storm...it is highly unlikely ARM will go the Atlas way. All indications are that all assets in Tanzania wil be sold and focus will be Kenya and Rwanda. Also CDC have initiated a turnaround thus the proverbial corner is not far off


Shame on you Shame on you ARM does not produce readymix concrete. You must have visited the wrong factory


So what do you call the product they are delivering HERE and other upcoming skyscrappers of Nairobi almost on a daily basis

https://twitter.com/RhinoCement/status/941646666762997760
#FakeNews Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Just kidding. I have no idea. I am following the saga coz it is fascinating!
Good luck!



Trust me. i have procured readymix in this market. They don't have a single readymix plant. They just sell cement to some guy who produces on their behalf. They are just a readymix broker who has a brand in the industry. Usidanganywe na posts za Shoshomedia
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