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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2007 Posts: 767
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All those anti doctors strike fellas are just full of sh*t. Parroting what they do not know. Kenya deserves a functioning public health system. Not the current death holes called public hospitals. The only way to achieve this is improve personnel retention and then upgrade facilities. Doctors are doing the right thing. Problem is we have incompetence and a thug sharing an office on the hill. There, I have said it and I am a Kikuyu. They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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tom_boy wrote:All those anti doctors strike fellas are just full of sh*t. Parroting what they do not know. Kenya deserves a functioning public health system. Not the current death holes called public hospitals. The only way to achieve this is improve personnel retention and then upgrade facilities. Doctors are doing the right thing. Problem is we have incompetence and a thug sharing an office on the hill. There, I have said it and I am a Kikuyu. Hahaha....And who cares whether you are a kikuyu or not? Can you sing the national anthem in your mother tongue?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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tom_boy wrote:All those anti doctors strike fellas are just full of sh*t. Parroting what they do not know. Kenya deserves a functioning public health system. Not the current death holes called public hospitals. The only way to achieve this is improve personnel retention and then upgrade facilities. Doctors are doing the right thing. Problem is we have incompetence and a thug sharing an office on the hill. There, I have said it and I am a Kikuyu. What do you know? Will a doctor stop misdiagnosing people because they are suddenly rich? If you are a doctor because you want more money then your motivation is lopsided. Citizen aired a clip of a kid whose cancer of the skin has blown out, this kid has been going to the public hospitals for over 10years and ofcourse our doctors have not seen the need to refer the case elsewhere, because ofcourse wameshindwa. Our hospitals are a work in progress, what is not changing yet, is the greed. Wawache kuiba masaa, madawa, machine, gloves, gauze, syringes bedsheet na kathalika. Why should I the taxpayer pay for the continued education of these doctors? Wachukue loan HELB na walipe badaaye after all their employment is guaranteed unlike the other professions who will have to tarmac even for 5yrs before they can get a decent job. Ask a doc in US how much his medical degree/residency cost him then comeback and lecture us. There's no difference of these doctors and the politicians asking for a "bonus". The motivation is the same. Has anyone of you ever wondered why we have Indian and wazungu doctors giving free medical care to people allover? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/20/2007 Posts: 767
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murchr wrote:tom_boy wrote:All those anti doctors strike fellas are just full of sh*t. Parroting what they do not know. Kenya deserves a functioning public health system. Not the current death holes called public hospitals. The only way to achieve this is improve personnel retention and then upgrade facilities. Doctors are doing the right thing. Problem is we have incompetence and a thug sharing an office on the hill. There, I have said it and I am a Kikuyu. What do you know? Will a doctor stop misdiagnosing people because they are suddenly rich? If you are a doctor because you want more money then your motivation is lopsided. Citizen aired a clip of a kid whose cancer of the skin has blown out, this kid has been going to the public hospitals for over 10years and ofcourse our doctors have not seen the need to refer the case elsewhere, because ofcourse wameshindwa. Our hospitals are a work in progress, what is not changing yet, is the greed. Wawache kuiba masaa, madawa, machine, gloves, gauze, syringes bedsheet na kathalika. Why should I the taxpayer pay for the continued education of these doctors? Wachukue loan HELB na walipe badaaye after all their employment is guaranteed unlike the other professions who will have to tarmac even for 5yrs before they can get a decent job. Ask a doc in US how much his medical degree/residency cost him then comeback and lecture us. There's no difference of these doctors and the politicians asking for a "bonus". The motivation is the same. Has anyone of you ever wondered why we have Indian and wazungu doctors giving free medical care to people allover? You are psychotic. Huyo mtu wa public hospital, where will you refer them to. You go to KNH, the biggest referral hospital, they take your sample and send you to the private lab next door. No facilities in knh to work on it. Even the private lab does not have facilities to do a thorough check on a biopsy. Only difference is that private lab has invested in sysyems to send that sample to South Africa and Germany for analysis. Report takes 1 week to come back. You pay an arm and a leg. Which public hospital patient will afford this. Chizi wewe. The same doc in knh will see you in the evening at nrb hosp. Why is he a better doc at nrb hosp and not at knh. Jijazie hiyo. Government is the only one capable of bringing down cost of healthcare. Why does the country not have a pet scan. Why should someone spend their money to go study a field whose facilities are not available locally. Why do we have to send samples to SA or Germany for interpretation. Such should be done at a Government facility. In fact, all hospitals should be referring to knh when things get thick, not knh referring to them. Wacha porojo bana. If you are a beneficially of tumbili tenderprenuership usituletee. Jubilee are incompetent, thieving baboons. Fact. They must find it difficult....... those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority. -G. Massey.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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tom_boy wrote:murchr wrote:tom_boy wrote:All those anti doctors strike fellas are just full of sh*t. Parroting what they do not know. Kenya deserves a functioning public health system. Not the current death holes called public hospitals. The only way to achieve this is improve personnel retention and then upgrade facilities. Doctors are doing the right thing. Problem is we have incompetence and a thug sharing an office on the hill. There, I have said it and I am a Kikuyu. What do you know? Will a doctor stop misdiagnosing people because they are suddenly rich? If you are a doctor because you want more money then your motivation is lopsided. Citizen aired a clip of a kid whose cancer of the skin has blown out, this kid has been going to the public hospitals for over 10years and ofcourse our doctors have not seen the need to refer the case elsewhere, because ofcourse wameshindwa. Our hospitals are a work in progress, what is not changing yet, is the greed. Wawache kuiba masaa, madawa, machine, gloves, gauze, syringes bedsheet na kathalika. Why should I the taxpayer pay for the continued education of these doctors? Wachukue loan HELB na walipe badaaye after all their employment is guaranteed unlike the other professions who will have to tarmac even for 5yrs before they can get a decent job. Ask a doc in US how much his medical degree/residency cost him then comeback and lecture us. There's no difference of these doctors and the politicians asking for a "bonus". The motivation is the same. Has anyone of you ever wondered why we have Indian and wazungu doctors giving free medical care to people allover? You are psychotic. Huyo mtu wa public hospital, where will you refer them to. You go to KNH, the biggest referral hospital, they take your sample and send you to the private lab next door. No facilities in knh to work on it. Even the private lab does not have facilities to do a thorough check on a biopsy. Only difference is that private lab has invested in sysyems to send that sample to South Africa and Germany for analysis. Report takes 1 week to come back. You pay an arm and a leg. Which public hospital patient will afford this. Chizi wewe. The same doc in knh will see you in the evening at nrb hosp. Why is he a better doc at nrb hosp and not at knh. Jijazie hiyo. Government is the only one capable of bringing down cost of healthcare. Why does the country not have a pet scan. Why should someone spend their money to go study a field whose facilities are not available locally. Why do we have to send samples to SA or Germany for interpretation. Such should be done at a Government facility. In fact, all hospitals should be referring to knh when things get thick, not knh referring to them. Wacha porojo bana. If you are a beneficially of tumbili tenderprenuership usituletee. Jubilee are incompetent, thieving baboons. Fact. We kihii stop the insults they dont make you look any cool or intelligent. That young kid would have been refered to KNH even tho the samples are taken to a lab just steps outside the gate (a lab that belongs to the so called doctor) it would have still been a step of another opinion. BUT there would be no need Y? Because it a cancer and the expertise to treat that is close to non existent. Either way, a doctor would still need to refer the kid out there to some indian doc. As for the case of the same doctor being better in NRB hospital...did you even think when you were writing that? That doctor whose education was subsidized by your tax money cannot treat your poor ass...because of pennies. Indian doctors are always holding medical camps for free. Why are you more likely to get better health care in Kikuyu than GOK hosp? The facilities are comparable. Govt cannot bring down costs by paying exorbitant salaries. Either we go back to cost sharing (Americans call it CO-pay_ or follow the scandinavian way of equipping hospital, buy drugs, and pay normal salaries. Why do local mwananchi go to KNH instead of the local hospitals? YOu find KNH so congested while Mama Lucy and Mbagathi are close to idle. Some of you would not like their blood samples to be tested here because of trust issues did you not see Rutto (bomet) going to SA for his bandage to be taken off? And why dont they send the samples to Nrb hospital? Have you been to Nrb hospital? Its no different from KNH private wing. And in most cases, your doc comes to treat you as in see you, the same way he'd come see you at Mater, Agakhan, or Karen. Not everyone is as gullible as you are, you are the same people who believe politicians should be paid more because they attend funerals. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Member Joined: 12/21/2009 Posts: 602
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I am failing to understand why people are so against higher salaries for doctors. We should value them- we have fewer than 6,000 of them in a population of almost 50 million people!
I think the argument that they will steal if hospitals are well equipped is dubious at best. If the government thinks that universal health is a value, then they create incentives for docs not to set up private clinics/join private practices-by giving them more money and better working environments/conditions, coupled with enforceable rules of conduct.
But Universal health care is NOT a value for us, so we need to kill public hospitals/ clinics, and privatize health, education etc..to fulfill the terms of those who are funding us to do whatever it is that we are doing with all of those billions that we have been getting as loans. Deaths of the poor--collateral damage.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Dahatre wrote:I am failing to understand why people are so against higher salaries for doctors. We should value them- we have fewer than 6,000 of them in a population of almost 50 million people!
I think the argument that they will steal if hospitals are well equipped is dubious at best. If the government thinks that universal health is a value, then they create incentives for docs not to set up private clinics/join private practices-by giving them more money and better working environments/conditions, coupled with enforceable rules of conduct.
But Universal health care is NOT a value for us, so we need to kill public hospitals/ clinics, and privatize health, education etc..to fulfill the terms of those who are funding us to do whatever it is that we are doing with all of those billions that we have been getting as loans. Deaths of the poor--collateral damage. 1. Because its not a charity and 40% of us are so poor to pay taxes. 2. If they get an increase, all civil servants will need to get that 150% increase. 3. The health budget does not just cater for salaries, there's drugs and other supplies that will be needed to run efficiently. 4. Privatizing might be the only way to follow to satisfy doctors - that loan ni pesa ya wenyewe na lazima ilipwe. How does the health sector contribute to the govt wallet? How much do you pay as NHIF? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore .
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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@murchr, please edit the post above where you started with an insult. That's not you. We expect and accept that from @hardwood, @harrydre, @muchknow and the rest of kameme listening gang.
You always come across as one of the few and very rare jubilee supporters who can reason.
From the day the doctors were released, itumbi has gone into overdrive to demonize the doctors on Facebook. Its like statehouse wants the talks to derail.
Knowing our first family and their insatiable greed, I wouldn't be shocked they have already invested in private healthcare and they want the public health system to collapse completely.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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Dahatre wrote:I am failing to understand why people are so against higher salaries for doctors. We should value them- we have fewer than 6,000 of them in a population of almost 50 million people!
I think the argument that they will steal if hospitals are well equipped is dubious at best. If the government thinks that universal health is a value, then they create incentives for docs not to set up private clinics/join private practices-by giving them more money and better working environments/conditions, coupled with enforceable rules of conduct.
But Universal health care is NOT a value for us, so we need to kill public hospitals/ clinics, and privatize health, education etc..to fulfill the terms of those who are funding us to do whatever it is that we are doing with all of those billions that we have been getting as loans. Deaths of the poor--collateral damage. From where I stand,nobody is against a salary increament for docs.Its the amounts they want that are crazy..... However I sat with doc last evenning and he told me what they are asking for is this. 1.Entry level pay to move from 72k to 221k and the highest paid doc to move from 550k to circa 720k. That sounds reasonable to me. 2.They also want to have Docs housed within the health facilities to avoid driving far when on call or sleeping in the office.That too is reasonable in my view. 3.They also want to be under National government not counties...am not sure I fully appreciate the implications of each. We can get out of this mess if they tone down and discuss but as it stands Ouma Oluga beliefs he is the later day Dedan Kimathi Wachiuri and will not burge. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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