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Kenya Airways...why ignore..
ArrestedDev
#8641 Posted : Saturday, October 07, 2017 2:11:42 AM
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maka wrote:
[quote=maka]Changes...




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All implicated in one way or another in the forensic audit. Fuel procurement was adversely mentioned.
ArrestedDev
#8642 Posted : Saturday, October 07, 2017 2:15:42 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/companies/KQ-sells-two-planes-in-bid-to-shore-up-its-finances/4003102-4127694-k4bu15z/index.html

KQ sells two planes in bid to shore up its finances


STALE NEWS!!!!

We reported here long ago on this. Proceeds from the sale were received long ago and lease payments being paid for a number of months now.
ArrestedDev
#8643 Posted : Saturday, October 07, 2017 2:23:00 AM
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maka wrote:
the deal wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/companies/KQ-sells-two-planes-in-bid-to-shore-up-its-finances/4003102-4127694-k4bu15z/index.html

KQ sells two planes in bid to shore up its finances

Aikona! The biggest losers in this saga apart from the already shafted Kenyan Government & KQ shareholders will be the banksters... asset stripping... somebody gotta be in jail for the f**k up that was project mawingu! KQ needs to delist...undergo liquidation... settle all its bills...GoK becomes 100% shareholder...KQ 2.O


Just my 2 Zim cents!


Starting with Naikuni....Sad


These two planes are in the fleet. The B737-700 that you said are doing West Africa. You also posted on the LOS discussion.
ArrestedDev
#8644 Posted : Saturday, October 07, 2017 2:28:07 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
mamilli wrote:
obiero wrote:
the deal wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/companies/KQ-sells-two-planes-in-bid-to-shore-up-its-finances/4003102-4127694-k4bu15z/index.html

KQ sells two planes in bid to shore up its finances

Aikona! The biggest losers in this saga apart from the already shafted Kenyan Government & KQ shareholders will be the banksters... asset stripping... somebody gotta be in jail for the f**k up that was project mawingu! KQ needs to delist...undergo liquidation... settle all its bills...GoK becomes 100% shareholder...KQ 2.O


Just my 2 Zim cents!

@thedeal you have missed the point on KQ. While I agree that some people need to go to jail, it's inconsiderate to imagine that GoK would liquidate it's national airline. Hii kitu haiweskani kufa, we may touch the lowest of lows in terms of share price but closing shop will not happen. Ask MSC, ask Uchumi.. One KQ aircraft engine could buy the entire FTG and leave change for part purchase of I&M


But elder,that one engine is owned by the banksters Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly how can KQ trade with what it does not own!


@Mamilli
You are right the engines are owned by the banksters.
Not the local/kenyan ones but JP Morgan,Citibank and Barclays Plc.
KQ can't sell them without their consent



These two planes were purchased outrightly and very dated. Any loans used to acquire them must have been already or cleared with the proceeds from the sale.
obiero
#8645 Posted : Sunday, October 08, 2017 7:30:17 PM
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Waiting, patiently.. Files handed over to CMA for final approval http://www.businessdaily...30170-eggksbz/index.html

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#8646 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 12:16:17 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
Air France to resume direct flights Paris-Nairobi from next year march.
Three flights a week

Excellent news. Now Kenyans can get better connections to Paris & beyond. Probably even cheaper than flights to (or connecting through) Schipol.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#8647 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 12:18:28 AM
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obiero wrote:
the deal wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/companies/KQ-sells-two-planes-in-bid-to-shore-up-its-finances/4003102-4127694-k4bu15z/index.html

KQ sells two planes in bid to shore up its finances

Aikona! The biggest losers in this saga apart from the already shafted Kenyan Government & KQ shareholders will be the banksters... asset stripping... somebody gotta be in jail for the f**k up that was project mawingu! KQ needs to delist...undergo liquidation... settle all its bills...GoK becomes 100% shareholder...KQ 2.O


Just my 2 Zim cents!

@thedeal you have missed the point on KQ. While I agree that some people need to go to jail, it's inconsiderate to imagine that GoK would liquidate it's national airline. Hii kitu haiweskani kufa, we may touch the lowest of lows in terms of share price but closing shop will not happen. Ask MSC, ask Uchumi.. One KQ aircraft engine could buy the entire FTG and leave change for part purchase of I&M

Hmmm, but doesn't FTG actually OWN their assets? [Positive NAV]
Same with I&M Bank? [Positive NAV]
Does KQ own the engines?
Or the aircraft?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#8648 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 12:21:23 AM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
mamilli wrote:
obiero wrote:
the deal wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/companies/KQ-sells-two-planes-in-bid-to-shore-up-its-finances/4003102-4127694-k4bu15z/index.html

KQ sells two planes in bid to shore up its finances

Aikona! The biggest losers in this saga apart from the already shafted Kenyan Government & KQ shareholders will be the banksters... asset stripping... somebody gotta be in jail for the f**k up that was project mawingu! KQ needs to delist...undergo liquidation... settle all its bills...GoK becomes 100% shareholder...KQ 2.O


Just my 2 Zim cents!

@thedeal you have missed the point on KQ. While I agree that some people need to go to jail, it's inconsiderate to imagine that GoK would liquidate it's national airline. Hii kitu haiweskani kufa, we may touch the lowest of lows in terms of share price but closing shop will not happen. Ask MSC, ask Uchumi.. One KQ aircraft engine could buy the entire FTG and leave change for part purchase of I&M


But elder,that one engine is owned by the banksters Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly how can KQ trade with what it does not own!


@Mamilli
You are right the engines are owned by the banksters.
Not the local/kenyan ones but JP Morgan,Citibank and Barclays Plc.
KQ can't sell them without their consent



These two planes were purchased outrightly and very dated. Any loans used to acquire them must have been already or cleared with the proceeds from the sale.

Ahhh! I hope Equity gets paid with the proceeds. We don't need bad debts on our books with IFRS 9 coming into play starting 1 Jan 2018.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
ArrestedDev
#8649 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 4:06:16 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
mamilli wrote:
obiero wrote:
the deal wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/companies/KQ-sells-two-planes-in-bid-to-shore-up-its-finances/4003102-4127694-k4bu15z/index.html

KQ sells two planes in bid to shore up its finances

Aikona! The biggest losers in this saga apart from the already shafted Kenyan Government & KQ shareholders will be the banksters... asset stripping... somebody gotta be in jail for the f**k up that was project mawingu! KQ needs to delist...undergo liquidation... settle all its bills...GoK becomes 100% shareholder...KQ 2.O


Just my 2 Zim cents!

@thedeal you have missed the point on KQ. While I agree that some people need to go to jail, it's inconsiderate to imagine that GoK would liquidate it's national airline. Hii kitu haiweskani kufa, we may touch the lowest of lows in terms of share price but closing shop will not happen. Ask MSC, ask Uchumi.. One KQ aircraft engine could buy the entire FTG and leave change for part purchase of I&M


But elder,that one engine is owned by the banksters Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly how can KQ trade with what it does not own!


@Mamilli
You are right the engines are owned by the banksters.
Not the local/kenyan ones but JP Morgan,Citibank and Barclays Plc.
KQ can't sell them without their consent



These two planes were purchased outrightly and very dated. Any loans used to acquire them must have been already or cleared with the proceeds from the sale.

Ahhh! I hope Equity gets paid with the proceeds. We don't need bad debts on our books with IFRS 9 coming into play starting 1 Jan 2018.


past tense, utilized long ago. Nothing to pay down debts.
obiero
#8650 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 6:50:01 AM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
mamilli wrote:
obiero wrote:
the deal wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/corporate/companies/KQ-sells-two-planes-in-bid-to-shore-up-its-finances/4003102-4127694-k4bu15z/index.html

KQ sells two planes in bid to shore up its finances

Aikona! The biggest losers in this saga apart from the already shafted Kenyan Government & KQ shareholders will be the banksters... asset stripping... somebody gotta be in jail for the f**k up that was project mawingu! KQ needs to delist...undergo liquidation... settle all its bills...GoK becomes 100% shareholder...KQ 2.O


Just my 2 Zim cents!

@thedeal you have missed the point on KQ. While I agree that some people need to go to jail, it's inconsiderate to imagine that GoK would liquidate it's national airline. Hii kitu haiweskani kufa, we may touch the lowest of lows in terms of share price but closing shop will not happen. Ask MSC, ask Uchumi.. One KQ aircraft engine could buy the entire FTG and leave change for part purchase of I&M


But elder,that one engine is owned by the banksters Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly how can KQ trade with what it does not own!


@Mamilli
You are right the engines are owned by the banksters.
Not the local/kenyan ones but JP Morgan,Citibank and Barclays Plc.
KQ can't sell them without their consent



These two planes were purchased outrightly and very dated. Any loans used to acquire them must have been already or cleared with the proceeds from the sale.

Ahhh! I hope Equity gets paid with the proceeds. We don't need bad debts on our books with IFRS 9 coming into play starting 1 Jan 2018.


past tense, utilized long ago. Nothing to pay down debts.

Very few companies can survive without debt

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
obiero
#8651 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 6:54:54 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Air France to resume direct flights Paris-Nairobi from next year march.
Three flights a week

Excellent news. Now Kenyans can get better connections to Paris & beyond. Probably even cheaper than flights to (or connecting through) Schipol.

That statement is sad.. Seems like one Hassan Omar would make..

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
ArrestedDev
#8652 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 7:29:46 AM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
maka wrote:
Changes...






All implicated in one way or another in the forensic audit. Fuel procurement was adversely mentioned.


@maka, so the guy who falsified Alex's signature with Ngunze on the Dubai bank fuel guarantee is this one called Brian Mulwa. He should be jailed and made to pay back.

Are there further changes coming?
VituVingiSana
#8653 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 9:19:35 AM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Air France to resume direct flights Paris-Nairobi from next year march.
Three flights a week

Excellent news. Now Kenyans can get better connections to Paris & beyond. Probably even cheaper than flights to (or connecting through) Schipol.

That statement is sad.. Seems like one Hassan Omar would make..

Isn't it in the interest of more Kenyans to get cheaper and better connections?
KQ has a chance to become dominant within Africa if the routes are chosen judiciously.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#8654 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 9:41:38 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Air France to resume direct flights Paris-Nairobi from next year march.
Three flights a week

Excellent news. Now Kenyans can get better connections to Paris & beyond. Probably even cheaper than flights to (or connecting through) Schipol.

That statement is sad.. Seems like one Hassan Omar would make..

Isn't it in the interest of more Kenyans to get cheaper and better connections?
KQ has a chance to become dominant within Africa if the routes are chosen judiciously.

You want to give cash to the French. SMH

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
maka
#8655 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 12:31:43 PM
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ArrestedDev wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
maka wrote:
Changes...






All implicated in one way or another in the forensic audit. Fuel procurement was adversely mentioned.


@maka, so the guy who falsified Alex's signature with Ngunze on the Dubai bank fuel guarantee is this one called Brian Mulwa. He should be jailed and made to pay back.

Are there further changes coming?


Ummh I dont know if its him...Changes yes new structure to be released by Nov 1st.
possunt quia posse videntur
VituVingiSana
#8656 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 7:12:54 PM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Air France to resume direct flights Paris-Nairobi from next year march.
Three flights a week

Excellent news. Now Kenyans can get better connections to Paris & beyond. Probably even cheaper than flights to (or connecting through) Schipol.

That statement is sad.. Seems like one Hassan Omar would make..

Isn't it in the interest of more Kenyans to get cheaper and better connections?
KQ has a chance to become dominant within Africa if the routes are chosen judiciously.

You want to give cash to the French. SMH

Versus giving it to the Polish?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#8657 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 9:21:54 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Air France to resume direct flights Paris-Nairobi from next year march.
Three flights a week

Excellent news. Now Kenyans can get better connections to Paris & beyond. Probably even cheaper than flights to (or connecting through) Schipol.

That statement is sad.. Seems like one Hassan Omar would make..

Isn't it in the interest of more Kenyans to get cheaper and better connections?
KQ has a chance to become dominant within Africa if the routes are chosen judiciously.

You want to give cash to the French. SMH

Versus giving it to the Polish?

How many Kenyans will Air France employ? KQ employs close to 4,000 persons directly and upto 20,000 indirectly.. Kuwa serious mzee

HF 30,000 ABP 3.49; KQ 414,100 ABP 7.92; MTN 23,800 ABP 6.45
VituVingiSana
#8658 Posted : Monday, October 09, 2017 11:47:27 PM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Air France to resume direct flights Paris-Nairobi from next year march.
Three flights a week

Excellent news. Now Kenyans can get better connections to Paris & beyond. Probably even cheaper than flights to (or connecting through) Schipol.

That statement is sad.. Seems like one Hassan Omar would make..

Isn't it in the interest of more Kenyans to get cheaper and better connections?
KQ has a chance to become dominant within Africa if the routes are chosen judiciously.

You want to give cash to the French. SMH

Versus giving it to the Polish?

How many Kenyans will Air France employ? KQ employs close to 4,000 persons directly and upto 20,000 indirectly.. Kuwa serious mzee

KQ already flies to Paris. Let KQ be competitive on this route and others. Many Kenyans use Ethiopian coz of the better fares. Even Rwandair has better fares on many routes.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#8659 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 12:05:48 AM
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Where Kenya has reached unless ni sponsor anakulipia fare;nobody is thinking about patriotism.
Cost overides everything;so KQ has to make it's fares competitive
Wealth is built through a relatively simple equation
Wealth=Income + Investments - Lifestyle
ArrestedDev
#8660 Posted : Tuesday, October 10, 2017 4:36:16 AM
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maka wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
ArrestedDev wrote:
maka wrote:
maka wrote:
Changes...






All implicated in one way or another in the forensic audit. Fuel procurement was adversely mentioned.


@maka, so the guy who falsified Alex's signature with Ngunze on the Dubai bank fuel guarantee is this one called Brian Mulwa. He should be jailed and made to pay back.

Are there further changes coming?


Ummh I dont know if its him...Changes yes new structure to be released by Nov 1st.


Of course such a contract would have passed through him. There is no doubt.
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