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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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He is not, but he is defending his win and this is just as bad in their eyes
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 2,038 Location: GA
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Impunity wrote:masukuma wrote:Well balanced opinion piece! Quote:
The Supreme Court’s registrar assembled a team of experts to physically examine the 34A and B forms that the electoral commission claimed to have used to arrive at the final results. According to their analysis, nearly a third of the forms have irregularities: some are blank, some are signed in the same handwriting, some come from polling stations that didn’t officially exist, some show results that differed from the totals on the copies of the form in NASA’s possession and from the totals announced by the electoral commission, and thousands lack official stamps, signatures, and watermarks. When the Supreme Court-appointed team examined the logs of the electoral commission’s server, it found that numerous unauthorized users had entered the system before and after the election, that the electoral commission chairman had uploaded and removed 34A forms, and that some polling center results had been added before the election had actually occurred.
Despite the growing evidence that the election was a fraud, Kenya’s notoriously corrupt judiciary may dismiss the case. When Odinga disputed Kenyatta’s victory after a similarly flawed election in 2013, the justices ruled that the election should stand, even though results from much of the country are not available even now, and probably never will be.
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A far more troubling possibility is that the US wants Kenyatta to remain in power, at the expense of democracy. Kenya lies in one of the most volatile regions of the world. Its neighbor Somalia has been a war zone for a decade; conflict in South Sudan has sent more than two million refugees scrambling to neighboring countries, including Kenya, since 2013. Two of Kenya’s other neighbors, Uganda and Ethiopia, are ruled by US-backed autocrats who have instigated or worsened these conflicts. Ethiopia’s US-assisted invasion of Somalia in 2006 set off the mayhem there, promoting the rise of the Islamist terrorist group Al-Shabaab. In 2014, Uganda entered the South Sudan civil war on the government’s side. Humanitarian organizations called for an arms embargo, which would have made Uganda’s involvement illegal. The UN Security Council, including Russia and China, seemed open to an embargo, but the Obama did not pursue it.
Kenyatta, a drowsy-looking bon vivant and the son of Jomo Kenyatta, Kenya’s first post-independence president, is supported by a powerful network of Kenyan politicians and businessmen, mostly of Kikuyu ethnicity, who have been looting the country for decades. He has aligned Kenya with US policy by, for example, deploying Kenyan forces in AMISOM, the US- and UK-supported African Union peacekeeping mission in Somalia.
Odinga, a taciturn, ambitious seventy-two-year-old of Luo ethnicity, whose father was Jomo Kenyatta’s post-independence vice-president and later his rival, has long nursed a grudge against Kenyatta’s Kikuyu elite. He spent ten years in jail for participating in a failed coup against Jomo Kenyatta’s hand-picked successor, Daniel Arap Moi, in 1982 and he fought vigorously for Kenya’s progressive 2010 Constitution which weakened Kenya’s formerly all- powerful presidency and made local officials more accountable to their people. Ni kirudiwo. Looks like Salim lone alisub contract  the pay had to be justifed before he takes off. Kenya: The Election & the Cover-Up
Helen EpsteinFrom below lazima wanajuana.Same website. When Mothers Neglect Children
Salim Lone, reply by Helen Epstein
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 5/5/2011 Posts: 1,059
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Shak wrote:masukuma wrote:Lolest! wrote:Kusadikika wrote:masukuma wrote:My verdict... no overturning of the Election results... the people have spoken and spoken clearly. Likely inquiry on IEBC's jua kali-ness on some matters. That whole hosting of the servers abroad was a dual edged knife - supposed to make you seem credible but makes you look incompetent! I suspect someone will be censured on that angle. That is what I am hoping but these days I like to keep my mind open to all possibilities. It is not over until it is over. Even as the lawyers were making their legal arguments it was not lost on me that there was a lot ego massaging of the judges. After being called "My Lords" so many times I fear that it is possible that some may want to believe that they are indeed Lords. I am beginning to have some trepidation about the effect of that IT report. It would be a very easy case to make that IEBC is hiding something. A unanimous decision seals the election for good but a majority decision say by a vote of 4 to 3 to uphold the election would leave some embers that can be stoked into a roaring fire by a disgruntled loser. I am anxious to hear how this goes. I want it to end on Friday but i am preparing myself for whatever happens. A puritan Supreme Court can be very dangerous. A ruling that is favourable to the petitioner will be very dangerous for future elections It simply means that in future, a side that knows it's losing will simply ensure forms in strongholds are not signed or something else and hence buying him time in the rerun Perhaps we may need to look at it from ODM/CORD/NASA (or whatever they choose to call themselves next week). They are a force (not as big as they thought - but still big) - how do you communicate to their adherents the frame of mind that 1) institutions work 2) when they don't - there is recourse in the law that they don't have to see the courts as "channels created by their 'oppressors'"! How do you do that fairly? in front of the supreme court lies a case that Kenyans overwhelmingly voted for one candidate - that is of no doubt to any one.... even Ekuru alisema hiyo. The question is on the mechanics of the 300k plus people who were running it. mambo ya kukosa seals... stamps... signatures for people who have been working for days on end under tough and charged political environment. The petitioner has not shown that they have been prejudiced by these events - they are just saying... it was not carried out as expected. Oh Rejected votes are not matching... between the RTS and the forms. So back to my point, the Supreme court has to uphold the election but at the same time find a way of making sure that these "de minus" issues don't repreat themselves in future elections. During the last election, they acted on the procurement of things and we saw heads rolling and this time around there are no complaints on "failed" systems and procurement. Will this be enough for NASA? unlikely, i think the largest bone they can throw at NASA is a recount or retally! Not Voting again since no one has complained about the voting process. My fear about a possible recount is that a new circus will arise where NASA will claim that ballot boxes have been tampered with by IEBC therefore they don't trust what will result from it with the reports of presidential ballot boxes found everywhere from bushes to hotel rooms, the reports of IEBC employees tampering with warehouses where the boxes are, I think a recount will just bring up more issues, lets recycle the ballots to wrap njugu and make tissue paper,or where o they take the papers? To Each His Own
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PETITIONERS’ REPORT FROM ICT ACCESS/AUDIT REPORTHow true is this “Invest in yourself. Your career is the engine of your wealth.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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The comments on social media by ODM supporters are very interesting. They are all about how Muite, Grand Mulla, PLO and Ngatia made glaring errors while Orengo was a perfect. I have been left wondering, shouldn't they be celebrating because of the errors as this would lead to an automatic win instead of getting annoyed at the errors? Mimi sielewi watu.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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Circus mingi not useful. Just bear in mind that this is a partisan party's opinion. The main voting bit was carried out manually and forms 34A 34B and 34C filled in manually, Can we restrict the tally to those hard-copies. There was also a requirement that in the event of a conflict between the scanned copies and the hard copies, the latter takes precedent. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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This is what Orengo tried to slip but was stopped. It says nothing really. Failed attempts to log in are common, how many times do we forget passwords or mistype them? The penetration test is what matters and I understand it came out clean. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/11/2006 Posts: 919
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IEBC FileZilla Server (FTP server) - ReportAny IT guy here for opinion on these logs. Do these logs demonstrate contrary to the original Form 34As or Bs? “Invest in yourself. Your career is the engine of your wealth.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/1/2009 Posts: 2,436
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murchr wrote:This is what Orengo tried to slip but was stopped. It says nothing really. Failed attempts to log in are common, how many times do we forget passwords or mistype them? The penetration test is what matters and I understand it came out clean. What about all those so many unauthorised users logging into the system? As claimed by the court-appointed ICT experts? PENETRATION TEST: Leo's subSTANDARD is saying the court appointed experts where not given the penetration tests, or was this later?
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 12/11/2006 Posts: 919
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Public interest is what will prevail on this matter. The jury will ask, if the election were to be repeated in perfect or near perfect conditions, would the outcome be different? To the degree they are confident with whatever they think is the answer, and what they think is the implication of either decision (to public interest) is what will inform
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limanika wrote:Public interest is what will prevail on this matter. The jury will ask, if the election were to be repeated in perfect or near perfect conditions, would the outcome be different? To the degree they are confident with whatever they think is the answer, and what they think is the implication of either decision (to public interest) is what will inform I dont think a court of law is in the business of predicting or speculating...are they? Business opportunities are like buses,there's always another one coming
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Did lack of iebc security features on some of the forms in any way disadvantage Raila/Nasa at the polls? (In short, if there is no watermark, how does that detrimentally affect Nasa to the advantage of say Jubilee? ) if iebc identify those forms as their authentic documents then Nasa can only claim that the figures contained therein are erroneous or fraudulent and prove it. Is there legislation that specify what kind of security features should be on those forms Is the court going to rule on what James Orengo invents in court as being mandatory security features or whether they will overlook what is defined under the constitution and existing law as the basic requirements for these forms where the format and requirements are provided. Is Raila on a mission to find issues that are good for him to score political points Why is NASA in this petition failing to use their own agents to make their case “Invest in yourself. Your career is the engine of your wealth.”
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KulaRaha wrote:limanika wrote:Public interest is what will prevail on this matter. The jury will ask, if the election were to be repeated in perfect or near perfect conditions, would the outcome be different? To the degree they are confident with whatever they think is the answer, and what they think is the implication of either decision (to public interest) is what will inform I dont think a court of law is in the business of predicting or speculating...are they? Man was not made for the law. Rather, law was made by man, for the man. As such, it's no surprise if sometimes the word 'court of law' and 'predict' appear in same sentence
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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KulaRaha wrote:limanika wrote:Public interest is what will prevail on this matter. The jury will ask, if the election were to be repeated in perfect or near perfect conditions, would the outcome be different? To the degree they are confident with whatever they think is the answer, and what they think is the implication of either decision (to public interest) is what will inform I dont think a court of law is in the business of predicting or speculating...are they? Probabilities are speculations. But imagine having equipment and techniques for reducing error rates?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,568
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We all know all these expenses are to massage and cool down Raila and his huge ego and wajinga (swahili for Illiterate) fans from the shock of his loss. This is why they keep repeating 11%. That margin of "loss of popularity" amongst wajingas because it means wa Kenya wameanza ku-erevuka na kusoma, na kujua mambo ya performance. For a 'populist' in his former breadbasket Kenyan poor where ujinga was very high, but fast abating is too much. It's the biggest election victory in Kenyan multi party history, with the strongest, fastest, most intelligent IEBC in Africa. Uhuru gained a whole 4 points over his performance and Raila lost three. Otherwise it was clear for any reasonable educated person listening to the case to see Raila amechapwa sawa sawa, it's all a fiasco facilitated by the levels of ignorance among Naswa and the general public about 'servers' and 'hackers' bullshit that can only be made up by con men and believed by wajingas! This kumbaff Raila was recorded harassing a watchmen at supreme court, a complete manner-less buffoon harassing simpletons, I remember Nancy Barasa ordeal and wonder where peoples sensibilities have suddenly disappeared to? Ras Kienyeji Man
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ngapat wrote:Did lack of iebc security features on some of the forms in any way disadvantage Raila/Nasa at the polls? (In short, if there is no watermark, how does that detrimentally affect Nasa to the advantage of say Jubilee? )
if iebc identify those forms as their authentic documents then Nasa can only claim that the figures contained therein are erroneous or fraudulent and prove it.
Is there legislation that specify what kind of security features should be on those forms
Is the court going to rule on what James Orengo invents in court as being mandatory security features or whether they will overlook what is defined under the constitution and existing law as the basic requirements for these forms where the format and requirements are provided.
Is Raila on a mission to find issues that are good for him to score political points
Why is NASA in this petition failing to use their own agents to make their case
That is the part that vexes me a great deal  All that money collected for adopting this and that was not used. Was Raila serious with this thing? He promised so much but delivered nothing. Remember him saying he has a cloud server where his tally will be done so that, "wakihesabu, tunahesabu!" Raila is a con man!
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Jump-steady wrote:ngapat wrote:Did lack of iebc security features on some of the forms in any way disadvantage Raila/Nasa at the polls? (In short, if there is no watermark, how does that detrimentally affect Nasa to the advantage of say Jubilee? )
if iebc identify those forms as their authentic documents then Nasa can only claim that the figures contained therein are erroneous or fraudulent and prove it.
Is there legislation that specify what kind of security features should be on those forms
Is the court going to rule on what James Orengo invents in court as being mandatory security features or whether they will overlook what is defined under the constitution and existing law as the basic requirements for these forms where the format and requirements are provided.
Is Raila on a mission to find issues that are good for him to score political points
Why is NASA in this petition failing to use their own agents to make their case
That is the part that vexes me a great deal All that money collected for adopting this and that was not used. Was Raila serious with this thing? He promised so much but delivered nothing. Remember him saying he has a cloud server where his tally will be done so that, "wakihesabu, tunahesabu!" Raila is a con man! We need our very own @FRM, who was part of the adpot a thing team, enlighten us on what happened with the cash and why the agents did not go a good job Either way, Baba can never win on numbers ( his legal team acknowledged numbers are not important) and the way in is through nusu mkate "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Jump-steady wrote:ngapat wrote:Did lack of iebc security features on some of the forms in any way disadvantage Raila/Nasa at the polls? (In short, if there is no watermark, how does that detrimentally affect Nasa to the advantage of say Jubilee? )
if iebc identify those forms as their authentic documents then Nasa can only claim that the figures contained therein are erroneous or fraudulent and prove it.
Is there legislation that specify what kind of security features should be on those forms
Is the court going to rule on what James Orengo invents in court as being mandatory security features or whether they will overlook what is defined under the constitution and existing law as the basic requirements for these forms where the format and requirements are provided.
Is Raila on a mission to find issues that are good for him to score political points
Why is NASA in this petition failing to use their own agents to make their case
That is the part that vexes me a great deal All that money collected for adopting this and that was not used. Was Raila serious with this thing? He promised so much but delivered nothing. Remember him saying he has a cloud server where his tally will be done so that, "wakihesabu, tunahesabu!" Raila is a con man!
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