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Ebenyo
#401 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 9:50:30 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
@Ebenyo - Benjo's land was worth more than double the loan amount (150m vs 70m).

And in any case, Benjo's land should have been sold first whatever the value. And KCB refused to furnish Muigai with a statement of accounts! It is like they were interested in more than their loan being cleared!!!


Benjo land was 150 m at the time the case came to appeal court.Meaning that at the time the case was in High court,thats some years back as land appreciates in value,the said land was below the 70 m kcb wanted.The first valuation was done when the case first came to high court.The initial loan was 23 m.Meaning some years lapsed to accrue the additional amount of interest.We are talking of 24 years here.
KCB cant furnish Ngengi with statements as he was only a guarantor.Its Benjo who should ask for the
same and since they are defaulters,they are guilty as charged.
Kcb cant accept liabilty on benjoh part.They couldnt sale benjo land at a price deemed below the loan value.Selling Ngengi land made value to them.So Ngengi bears the liability for benjo as the guarantor.
If the land is 3 billion now as its said,Benjo should pay Ngengi the full amount.Bidii are innocent.They should posess their land.
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MaichBlack
#402 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 10:09:21 AM
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@Ebenyo

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Benjoh had provided as security two pieces of land in Kiambu County, which at the time the matter came up for hearing before the Court of Appeal was estimated to be worth Sh150 million.

The Court of Appeal itself had ruled that the bank was free to realise the security that Benjoh had provided for the loan in order to settle the loan which was at the time estimated to be worth Sh70 million.

KCB, however, went ahead and sold Mr Muigai’s land to a private company, Bidii Kenya Limited, in 2007 for Sh70 million, setting up the former politician for what has become one of Kenya’s longest court battles.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
MaichBlack
#403 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 10:16:10 AM
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@Ebenyo - A guarantor has the right to ask for and be given an statement of accounts if there is a default! You cannot just put his property under the hammer because he might actually be willing/planning to clear the balance to save his property.

I have actually seen some financial institutions sending a statement of accounts to the guarantors without being asked for them as they explain the actions they are about to take to recover the money from the guarantors.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
Ebenyo
#404 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:18:00 AM
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MaichBlack wrote:
@Ebenyo - A guarantor has the right to ask for and be given an statement of accounts if there is a default! You cannot just put his property under the hammer because he might actually be willing/planning to clear the balance to save his property.

I have actually seen some financial institutions sending a statement of accounts to the guarantors without being asked for them as they explain the actions they are about to take to recover the money from the guarantors.


@maichblack,im building on kcb dividends to pay for my daughter, who is now 3 years old,school fees and all her needs.So im partisan in this case as im an interested party.So we will never agree as you too have sided with ngengi.
Lets wait for the next angle in high court.
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MaichBlack
#405 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 11:44:31 AM
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Ebenyo wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
@Ebenyo - A guarantor has the right to ask for and be given an statement of accounts if there is a default! You cannot just put his property under the hammer because he might actually be willing/planning to clear the balance to save his property.

I have actually seen some financial institutions sending a statement of accounts to the guarantors without being asked for them as they explain the actions they are about to take to recover the money from the guarantors.


@maichblack,im building on kcb dividends to pay for my daughter, who is now 3 years old,school fees and all her needs.So im partisan in this case as im an interested party.So we will never agree as you too have sided with ngengi.
Lets wait for the next angle in high court.

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Okay my brother. I feel you. Especially on the daughter part. If you read some of my posts, you will realize that a good number of my investments and financial decisions have "the daughter" angle. I totally know the feeling my fellow dad!

Let's hope our daughters are not disenfranchised by the actions of a few.
Never count on making a good sale. Have the purchase price be so attractive that even a mediocre sale gives good returns.
VituVingiSana
#406 Posted : Wednesday, July 06, 2016 6:11:34 PM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
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Location: Nairobi
MaichBlack wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
MaichBlack wrote:
@Ebenyo - A guarantor has the right to ask for and be given an statement of accounts if there is a default! You cannot just put his property under the hammer because he might actually be willing/planning to clear the balance to save his property.

I have actually seen some financial institutions sending a statement of accounts to the guarantors without being asked for them as they explain the actions they are about to take to recover the money from the guarantors.


@maichblack,im building on kcb dividends to pay for my daughter, who is now 3 years old,school fees and all her needs.So im partisan in this case as im an interested party.So we will never agree as you too have sided with ngengi.
Lets wait for the next angle in high court.

Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly

Okay my brother. I feel you. Especially on the daughter part. If you read some of my posts, you will realize that a good number of my investments and financial decisions have "the daughter" angle. I totally know the feeling my fellow dad!

Let's hope our daughters are not disenfranchised by the actions of a few.

How did Ngengi come by the huge piece of land? Easy come, easy go.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
munertrehgat
#407 Posted : Monday, July 11, 2016 6:32:56 PM
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Location: japan
GFL used the net proceeds from the offering to repay its outstanding borrowings under its senior secured revolving credit facility, to pay fees and expenses in connection with the offering and for general corporate purposes that includes the financing of future acquisitions and organic growth initiatives, gfl.
VituVingiSana
#408 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2016 2:30:52 AM
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Location: Nairobi
So the money to pay the contractors is finally in.
http://www.businessdaily...2/-/iklm8z/-/index.html

How will KCB account for the NPLs that were shown but not provided for in March? And it seems they remained outstanding at the end of June?

How SHOULD a bank like KCB account for such NPLs that have crossed both the 90 and 180 day mark?
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
obiero
#409 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:56:29 AM
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Location: nairobi
VituVingiSana wrote:
So the money to pay the contractors is finally in.
http://www.businessdaily...2/-/iklm8z/-/index.html

How will KCB account for the NPLs that were shown but not provided for in March? And it seems they remained outstanding at the end of June?

How SHOULD a bank like KCB account for such NPLs that have crossed both the 90 and 180 day mark?

KES 33 per share.. Wow

KQ ABP 4.26
mlennyma
#410 Posted : Tuesday, July 12, 2016 9:58:27 AM
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Joined: 7/21/2010
Posts: 6,194
Location: nairobi
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
So the money to pay the contractors is finally in.
http://www.businessdaily...2/-/iklm8z/-/index.html

How will KCB account for the NPLs that were shown but not provided for in March? And it seems they remained outstanding at the end of June?

How SHOULD a bank like KCB account for such NPLs that have crossed both the 90 and 180 day mark?

KES 33 per share.. Wow

still expensive sir,25 is appealing
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