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murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Waititu impeached by Senate!!! Moral of the story. Don't use the words "honestly speaking" in your statements. Even Wambora was impeached by the senate The Wabora case raised the bar pretty high but our MCA's and Senators seem not to have read the memo. For impeachment to stand, the crimes on which it is based have to first be proved by a competent authority, namely a court of law. The Senate is not a court of law. All Waititu needs now is a good lawyer. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Njunge wrote:Murkomen says the law was violated in impeaching Waititu. Three key violations; 1. County assembly seating not considered by Senate 2. Constitutional timelines not followed. 3. Guy wasn't given chance to place defence. Wambora precedence can be used to throw the process out on technicalities.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case. Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment "Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable," Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Thitifini wrote:Njunge wrote:Murkomen says the law was violated in impeaching Waititu. Three key violations; 1. County assembly seating not considered by Senate 2. Constitutional timelines not followed. 3. Guy wasn't given chance to place defence. Wambora precedence can be used to throw the process out on technicalities. Why Waititu is disadvantaged, he is out of the system. He wont succeed. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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kaka2za wrote:The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's
While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case.
Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment
"Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable,"
Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Other Kenyans need to be educated on exactly what happened. Twice some MCA's tried to impeach this fella. Twice they failed. Simply because he'd take them for lunch or they would disappear. It was public forums that removed this guy. Some were even on TV. MCA's could not sleep as the electorate insisted that the guy be removed. I'm not an expert at all this legal stuff. But I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, the voters in Kiambu do not want this fella. If Nyoro is sworn in and it is found that it had been illegal, at least the voters would have had 1 more year without this denier of children. That is what tanga tanga is not getting in their thick skulls. The voters don't want him. Any attempt to return him legally or otherwise shall only take more of them down Waititu's path. Why do you think the senators from Kiambu changed their tune? They were against it initially. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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alma1 wrote:kaka2za wrote:The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's
While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case.
Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment
"Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable,"
Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Other Kenyans need to be educated on exactly what happened. Twice some MCA's tried to impeach this fella. Twice they failed. Simply because he'd take them for lunch or they would disappear. It was public forums that removed this guy. Some were even on TV. MCA's could not sleep as the electorate insisted that the guy be removed. I'm not an expert at all this legal stuff. But I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, the voters in Kiambu do not want this fella. If Nyoro is sworn in and it is found that it had been illegal, at least the voters would have had 1 more year without this denier of children. That is what tanga tanga is not getting in their thick skulls. The voters don't want him. Any attempt to return him legally or otherwise shall only take more of them down Waititu's path. Why do you think the senators from Kiambu changed their tune? They were against it initially. All the above may make political and even emotional sense. But try selling it to a sober judge. Ati the people wanted Waititu removed, so the Senate acted. Under which law? And what about the presumption of 'innocent till proven guilty?' I am from Kiambu and I certainly want Waititu to go. But not through extra legal means. Otherwise embarking on such a slippery slope could come back to bite you and me in the gluteus maximus one day. You want Waititu impeached? My advise to Kiambuians is wait to exercise that power through the ballot. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,058 Location: Gwitu
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Wakanyugi wrote:alma1 wrote:kaka2za wrote:The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's
While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case.
Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment
"Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable,"
Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Other Kenyans need to be educated on exactly what happened. Twice some MCA's tried to impeach this fella. Twice they failed. Simply because he'd take them for lunch or they would disappear. It was public forums that removed this guy. Some were even on TV. MCA's could not sleep as the electorate insisted that the guy be removed. I'm not an expert at all this legal stuff. But I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, the voters in Kiambu do not want this fella. If Nyoro is sworn in and it is found that it had been illegal, at least the voters would have had 1 more year without this denier of children. That is what tanga tanga is not getting in their thick skulls. The voters don't want him. Any attempt to return him legally or otherwise shall only take more of them down Waititu's path. Why do you think the senators from Kiambu changed their tune? They were against it initially. All the above may make political and even emotional sense. But try selling it to a sober judge. Ati the people wanted Waititu removed, so the Senate acted. Under which law? And what about the presumption of 'innocent till proven guilty?' I am from Kiambu and I certainly want Waititu to go. But not through extra legal means. Otherwise embarking on such a slippery slope could come back to bite you and me in the gluteus maximus one day. You want Waititu impeached? My advise to Kiambuians is wait to exercise that power through the ballot. Waititu knows his goose is cooked. He thrives on popularism and even judges cannot give him that. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 7/3/2007 Posts: 1,635
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kaka2za wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:alma1 wrote:kaka2za wrote:The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's
While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case.
Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment
"Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable,"
Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Other Kenyans need to be educated on exactly what happened. Twice some MCA's tried to impeach this fella. Twice they failed. Simply because he'd take them for lunch or they would disappear. It was public forums that removed this guy. Some were even on TV. MCA's could not sleep as the electorate insisted that the guy be removed. I'm not an expert at all this legal stuff. But I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, the voters in Kiambu do not want this fella. If Nyoro is sworn in and it is found that it had been illegal, at least the voters would have had 1 more year without this denier of children. That is what tanga tanga is not getting in their thick skulls. The voters don't want him. Any attempt to return him legally or otherwise shall only take more of them down Waititu's path. Why do you think the senators from Kiambu changed their tune? They were against it initially. All the above may make political and even emotional sense. But try selling it to a sober judge. Ati the people wanted Waititu removed, so the Senate acted. Under which law? And what about the presumption of 'innocent till proven guilty?' I am from Kiambu and I certainly want Waititu to go. But not through extra legal means. Otherwise embarking on such a slippery slope could come back to bite you and me in the gluteus maximus one day. You want Waititu impeached? My advise to Kiambuians is wait to exercise that power through the ballot. Waititu knows his goose is cooked. He thrives on popularism and even judges cannot give him that. That is what the street thinks, based on that buffoonish image Waititu deliberately cultivates. I used to think Waititu could not speak English until I saw him on TV. You misunderestimate Babayao at your own peril. "The opposite of a correct statement is a false statement. But the opposite of a profound truth may well be another profound truth." (Niels Bohr)
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Wakanyugi wrote:kaka2za wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:alma1 wrote:kaka2za wrote:The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's
While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case.
Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment
"Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable,"
Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Other Kenyans need to be educated on exactly what happened. Twice some MCA's tried to impeach this fella. Twice they failed. Simply because he'd take them for lunch or they would disappear. It was public forums that removed this guy. Some were even on TV. MCA's could not sleep as the electorate insisted that the guy be removed. I'm not an expert at all this legal stuff. But I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, the voters in Kiambu do not want this fella. If Nyoro is sworn in and it is found that it had been illegal, at least the voters would have had 1 more year without this denier of children. That is what tanga tanga is not getting in their thick skulls. The voters don't want him. Any attempt to return him legally or otherwise shall only take more of them down Waititu's path. Why do you think the senators from Kiambu changed their tune? They were against it initially. All the above may make political and even emotional sense. But try selling it to a sober judge. Ati the people wanted Waititu removed, so the Senate acted. Under which law? And what about the presumption of 'innocent till proven guilty?' I am from Kiambu and I certainly want Waititu to go. But not through extra legal means. Otherwise embarking on such a slippery slope could come back to bite you and me in the gluteus maximus one day. You want Waititu impeached? My advise to Kiambuians is wait to exercise that power through the ballot. Waititu knows his goose is cooked. He thrives on popularism and even judges cannot give him that. That is what the street thinks, based on that buffoonish image Waititu deliberately cultivates. I used to think Waititu could not speak English until I saw him on TV. You misunderestimate Babayao at your own peril. Judge Onyiego says law was not followed and he will not swear Nyoro, someone stopped reggae but for how long?we dont know Life is an endless adventure
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freiks wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:kaka2za wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:alma1 wrote:kaka2za wrote:The Waititu case is politically and legally different from Wambora's
While Wambora's beef was with MCAs,Waititu ouster was pushed by voters and MCAs had no choice but to comply. Secondly,the Mbeere/Embu divide also played a role in the Wambora case.
Court of Appeal judges had this to say while annulling the impeachment
"Collective responsibility is not a principle of individual responsibility. The tenders involved many parties thus the appellant was not individually liable,"
Waititu was implicated directly with the wife he has now disowned. Other Kenyans need to be educated on exactly what happened. Twice some MCA's tried to impeach this fella. Twice they failed. Simply because he'd take them for lunch or they would disappear. It was public forums that removed this guy. Some were even on TV. MCA's could not sleep as the electorate insisted that the guy be removed. I'm not an expert at all this legal stuff. But I can assure you without a shadow of a doubt, the voters in Kiambu do not want this fella. If Nyoro is sworn in and it is found that it had been illegal, at least the voters would have had 1 more year without this denier of children. That is what tanga tanga is not getting in their thick skulls. The voters don't want him. Any attempt to return him legally or otherwise shall only take more of them down Waititu's path. Why do you think the senators from Kiambu changed their tune? They were against it initially. All the above may make political and even emotional sense. But try selling it to a sober judge. Ati the people wanted Waititu removed, so the Senate acted. Under which law? And what about the presumption of 'innocent till proven guilty?' I am from Kiambu and I certainly want Waititu to go. But not through extra legal means. Otherwise embarking on such a slippery slope could come back to bite you and me in the gluteus maximus one day. You want Waititu impeached? My advise to Kiambuians is wait to exercise that power through the ballot. Waititu knows his goose is cooked. He thrives on popularism and even judges cannot give him that. That is what the street thinks, based on that buffoonish image Waititu deliberately cultivates. I used to think Waititu could not speak English until I saw him on TV. You misunderestimate Babayao at your own peril. Judge Onyiego says law was not followed and he will not swear Nyoro, someone stopped reggae but for how long?we dont know  Haki Kenya is full of comedy. So Waititu is still gafana Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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