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Who sees any smoking gun if not smelling some smoke? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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murchr wrote:Who sees any smoking gun if not smelling some smoke? VERY SMOKY! I care!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,718
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thuks wrote:murchr wrote:Who sees any smoking gun if not smelling some smoke? VERY SMOKY! Some orders were not granted because of time and technical constraints. I guess this report will not be very useful for the judges but knowing NASA this is where they will fault whatever decision will be made.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Kusadikika wrote:thuks wrote:murchr wrote:Who sees any smoking gun if not smelling some smoke? VERY SMOKY! Some orders were not granted because of time and technical constraints. I guess this report will not be very useful for the judges but knowing NASA this is where they will fault whatever decision will be made. yes... the claims will morph!! my take - Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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limanika wrote:Just imagine,
Maringo produces server logs on national TV as evidence of hacking - Only to come out that the print-out itself was as fake as they come
Maringo says on national TV- Court is not an option. Then he becomes the main lawyer for the petitioner
Maringo says...We only need to look at those servers, this is the one thing that will establish we have a case...Not sure what he said after looking the servers
Maringo evolves through the case...initially he made everybody believe there was hacking...He thought IEBC will never give access....when finally IEBC gives access, he can only see smoke, the case collapses...he brings new evidence last minute
In other words he has fumbled through this matter from day 1, watering down all the respect he's built over the years, I wonder what was his motivation? When Raila says jump, Orengo hits the clouds. Did you also talk of respect stemming from principle; Orengo stopped being his own man when he realised that for him to contest and win any political office in Siaya, he had to kow tow to Raila, then he chose eating humble pie to sticking to his principles. And it has paid off, he never has to campaign, even when the electorate are not too keen on him Raila ensures that he sails through to be used as became clear in the last couple of Months. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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Gathige wrote:Looks like fake news. I doubt Ndii would email such sensitive info in an insecure manner. BTW do you know one of the easiest and secure communication is to draft a message, don't send it, share the password with your contact to read and then delete! That way, no trail, except in the servers of the hosts. To also confuse the host server,before deleting the message as a whole,control-copy all and then type dot...then delete. That way the host server will only have dot in its archives. Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/5/2008 Posts: 532 Location: Nairobi
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/5/2008 Posts: 532 Location: Nairobi
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9uLbyC4HtMQ
Strive not to be a success, but rather to be of value. –Albert Einstein.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/9/2009 Posts: 6,592 Location: Nairobi
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Here is my verdict: Repeat elections in polling stations that the petitioner has raised queries on. The swearing in of the declared winner to continue as the petitioner won in all the contentious areas anyway.
BBI will solve it :)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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2012 wrote:Here is my verdict:
Repeat elections in polling stations that the petitioner has raised queries on.
The swearing in of the declared winner to continue as the petitioner won in all the contentious areas anyway. Hehe....that is a good one. #SolomonicWisdom.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/22/2009 Posts: 2,449 Location: Africa
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hardwood wrote:2012 wrote:Here is my verdict:
Repeat elections in polling stations that the petitioner has raised queries on.
The swearing in of the declared winner to continue as the petitioner won in all the contentious areas anyway. Hehe....that is a good one. #SolomonicWisdom. What about a simple recount. People already made their choice. The ballots can be brought to a central location, recounted and tallied with all agents and officials present.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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When all is said and done, IEBC needs to be reprimanded for all those small things that they failed to do which are basic like ROs/POs not signing forms, use of non standardized forms, tests on their IT systems certified, etc. Their reliance on contract staff who are not paid in time needs to be addressed as its hard to reprimand casual staff. The 50% + 1 need to be amended to like 60% for decisive majority. This thing of 54/44% is just too close "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/14/2006 Posts: 1,311
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Ngalaka wrote:limanika wrote:Just imagine,
Maringo produces server logs on national TV as evidence of hacking - Only to come out that the print-out itself was as fake as they come
Maringo says on national TV- Court is not an option. Then he becomes the main lawyer for the petitioner
Maringo says...We only need to look at those servers, this is the one thing that will establish we have a case...Not sure what he said after looking the servers
Maringo evolves through the case...initially he made everybody believe there was hacking...He thought IEBC will never give access....when finally IEBC gives access, he can only see smoke, the case collapses...he brings new evidence last minute
In other words he has fumbled through this matter from day 1, watering down all the respect he's built over the years, I wonder what was his motivation? When Raila says jump, Orengo hits the clouds. Did you also talk of respect stemming from principle; Orengo stopped being his own man when he realised that for him to contest and win any political office in Siaya, he had to kow tow to Raila, then he chose eating humble pie to sticking to his principles. And it has paid off, he never has to campaign, even when the electorate are not too keen on him Raila ensures that he sails through to be used as became clear in the last couple of Months. Has it ever occurred to you that Orengo could be interested in taking over the leadership of the Luo nation if Raila retires from politics ....if that ever happened? ....but can he?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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My verdict... no overturning of the Election results... the people have spoken and spoken clearly. Likely inquiry on IEBC's jua kali-ness on some matters. That whole hosting of the servers abroad was a dual edged knife - supposed to make you seem credible but makes you look incompetent! I suspect someone will be censured on that angle. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Well balanced opinion piece! Quote:
The Supreme Court’s registrar assembled a team of experts to physically examine the 34A and B forms that the electoral commission claimed to have used to arrive at the final results. According to their analysis, nearly a third of the forms have irregularities: some are blank, some are signed in the same handwriting, some come from polling stations that didn’t officially exist, some show results that differed from the totals on the copies of the form in NASA’s possession and from the totals announced by the electoral commission, and thousands lack official stamps, signatures, and watermarks. When the Supreme Court-appointed team examined the logs of the electoral commission’s server, it found that numerous unauthorized users had entered the system before and after the election, that the electoral commission chairman had uploaded and removed 34A forms, and that some polling center results had been added before the election had actually occurred.
Despite the growing evidence that the election was a fraud, Kenya’s notoriously corrupt judiciary may dismiss the case. When Odinga disputed Kenyatta’s victory after a similarly flawed election in 2013, the justices ruled that the election should stand, even though results from much of the country are not available even now, and probably never will be.
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A far more troubling possibility is that the US wants Kenyatta to remain in power, at the expense of democracy. Kenya lies in one of the most volatile regions of the world. Its neighbor Somalia has been a war zone for a decade; conflict in South Sudan has sent more than two million refugees scrambling to neighboring countries, including Kenya, since 2013. Two of Kenya’s other neighbors, Uganda and Ethiopia, are ruled by US-backed autocrats who have instigated or worsened these conflicts. Ethiopia’s US-assisted invasion of Somalia in 2006 set off the mayhem there, promoting the rise of the Islamist terrorist group Al-Shabaab. In 2014, Uganda entered the South Sudan civil war on the government’s side. Humanitarian organizations called for an arms embargo, which would have made Uganda’s involvement illegal. The UN Security Council, including Russia and China, seemed open to an embargo, but the Obama did not pursue it.
Kenyatta, a drowsy-looking bon vivant and the son of Jomo Kenyatta, Kenya’s first post-independence president, is supported by a powerful network of Kenyan politicians and businessmen, mostly of Kikuyu ethnicity, who have been looting the country for decades. He has aligned Kenya with US policy by, for example, deploying Kenyan forces in AMISOM, the US- and UK-supported African Union peacekeeping mission in Somalia.
Odinga, a taciturn, ambitious seventy-two-year-old of Luo ethnicity, whose father was Jomo Kenyatta’s post-independence vice-president and later his rival, has long nursed a grudge against Kenyatta’s Kikuyu elite. He spent ten years in jail for participating in a failed coup against Jomo Kenyatta’s hand-picked successor, Daniel Arap Moi, in 1982 and he fought vigorously for Kenya’s progressive 2010 Constitution which weakened Kenya’s formerly all- powerful presidency and made local officials more accountable to their people. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,330 Location: Masada
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masukuma wrote:Well balanced opinion piece! Quote:
The Supreme Court’s registrar assembled a team of experts to physically examine the 34A and B forms that the electoral commission claimed to have used to arrive at the final results. According to their analysis, nearly a third of the forms have irregularities: some are blank, some are signed in the same handwriting, some come from polling stations that didn’t officially exist, some show results that differed from the totals on the copies of the form in NASA’s possession and from the totals announced by the electoral commission, and thousands lack official stamps, signatures, and watermarks. When the Supreme Court-appointed team examined the logs of the electoral commission’s server, it found that numerous unauthorized users had entered the system before and after the election, that the electoral commission chairman had uploaded and removed 34A forms, and that some polling center results had been added before the election had actually occurred.
Despite the growing evidence that the election was a fraud, Kenya’s notoriously corrupt judiciary may dismiss the case. When Odinga disputed Kenyatta’s victory after a similarly flawed election in 2013, the justices ruled that the election should stand, even though results from much of the country are not available even now, and probably never will be.
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A far more troubling possibility is that the US wants Kenyatta to remain in power, at the expense of democracy. Kenya lies in one of the most volatile regions of the world. Its neighbor Somalia has been a war zone for a decade; conflict in South Sudan has sent more than two million refugees scrambling to neighboring countries, including Kenya, since 2013. Two of Kenya’s other neighbors, Uganda and Ethiopia, are ruled by US-backed autocrats who have instigated or worsened these conflicts. Ethiopia’s US-assisted invasion of Somalia in 2006 set off the mayhem there, promoting the rise of the Islamist terrorist group Al-Shabaab. In 2014, Uganda entered the South Sudan civil war on the government’s side. Humanitarian organizations called for an arms embargo, which would have made Uganda’s involvement illegal. The UN Security Council, including Russia and China, seemed open to an embargo, but the Obama did not pursue it.
Kenyatta, a drowsy-looking bon vivant and the son of Jomo Kenyatta, Kenya’s first post-independence president, is supported by a powerful network of Kenyan politicians and businessmen, mostly of Kikuyu ethnicity, who have been looting the country for decades. He has aligned Kenya with US policy by, for example, deploying Kenyan forces in AMISOM, the US- and UK-supported African Union peacekeeping mission in Somalia.
Odinga, a taciturn, ambitious seventy-two-year-old of Luo ethnicity, whose father was Jomo Kenyatta’s post-independence vice-president and later his rival, has long nursed a grudge against Kenyatta’s Kikuyu elite. He spent ten years in jail for participating in a failed coup against Jomo Kenyatta’s hand-picked successor, Daniel Arap Moi, in 1982 and he fought vigorously for Kenya’s progressive 2010 Constitution which weakened Kenya’s formerly all- powerful presidency and made local officials more accountable to their people. Ni kirudiwo. Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,822 Location: Nairobi
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Impunity wrote:masukuma wrote:Well balanced opinion piece! Quote:
The Supreme Court’s registrar assembled a team of experts to physically examine the 34A and B forms that the electoral commission claimed to have used to arrive at the final results. According to their analysis, nearly a third of the forms have irregularities: some are blank, some are signed in the same handwriting, some come from polling stations that didn’t officially exist, some show results that differed from the totals on the copies of the form in NASA’s possession and from the totals announced by the electoral commission, and thousands lack official stamps, signatures, and watermarks. When the Supreme Court-appointed team examined the logs of the electoral commission’s server, it found that numerous unauthorized users had entered the system before and after the election, that the electoral commission chairman had uploaded and removed 34A forms, and that some polling center results had been added before the election had actually occurred.
Despite the growing evidence that the election was a fraud, Kenya’s notoriously corrupt judiciary may dismiss the case. When Odinga disputed Kenyatta’s victory after a similarly flawed election in 2013, the justices ruled that the election should stand, even though results from much of the country are not available even now, and probably never will be.
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A far more troubling possibility is that the US wants Kenyatta to remain in power, at the expense of democracy. Kenya lies in one of the most volatile regions of the world. Its neighbor Somalia has been a war zone for a decade; conflict in South Sudan has sent more than two million refugees scrambling to neighboring countries, including Kenya, since 2013. Two of Kenya’s other neighbors, Uganda and Ethiopia, are ruled by US-backed autocrats who have instigated or worsened these conflicts. Ethiopia’s US-assisted invasion of Somalia in 2006 set off the mayhem there, promoting the rise of the Islamist terrorist group Al-Shabaab. In 2014, Uganda entered the South Sudan civil war on the government’s side. Humanitarian organizations called for an arms embargo, which would have made Uganda’s involvement illegal. The UN Security Council, including Russia and China, seemed open to an embargo, but the Obama did not pursue it.
Kenyatta, a drowsy-looking bon vivant and the son of Jomo Kenyatta, Kenya’s first post-independence president, is supported by a powerful network of Kenyan politicians and businessmen, mostly of Kikuyu ethnicity, who have been looting the country for decades. He has aligned Kenya with US policy by, for example, deploying Kenyan forces in AMISOM, the US- and UK-supported African Union peacekeeping mission in Somalia.
Odinga, a taciturn, ambitious seventy-two-year-old of Luo ethnicity, whose father was Jomo Kenyatta’s post-independence vice-president and later his rival, has long nursed a grudge against Kenyatta’s Kikuyu elite. He spent ten years in jail for participating in a failed coup against Jomo Kenyatta’s hand-picked successor, Daniel Arap Moi, in 1982 and he fought vigorously for Kenya’s progressive 2010 Constitution which weakened Kenya’s formerly all- powerful presidency and made local officials more accountable to their people. Ni kirudiwo. Kiliibowo? All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,718
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masukuma wrote:My verdict... no overturning of the Election results... the people have spoken and spoken clearly. Likely inquiry on IEBC's jua kali-ness on some matters. That whole hosting of the servers abroad was a dual edged knife - supposed to make you seem credible but makes you look incompetent! I suspect someone will be censured on that angle. That is what I am hoping but these days I like to keep my mind open to all possibilities. It is not over until it is over. Even as the lawyers were making their legal arguments it was not lost on me that there was a lot ego massaging of the judges. After being called "My Lords" so many times I fear that it is possible that some may want to believe that they are indeed Lords. I am beginning to have some trepidation about the effect of that IT report. It would be a very easy case to make that IEBC is hiding something. A unanimous decision seals the election for good but a majority decision say by a vote of 4 to 3 to uphold the election would leave some embers that can be stoked into a roaring fire by a disgruntled loser. I am anxious to hear how this goes. I want it to end on Friday but i am preparing myself for whatever happens. A puritan Supreme Court can be very dangerous.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Though the petition may be dismissed,I expect the ruling to be castigate IEBC on processes. The problem is that IEBC is poorly funded and same problems will recur even if the election is repeated ten times. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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Liv wrote:Ngalaka wrote:limanika wrote:Just imagine,
Maringo produces server logs on national TV as evidence of hacking - Only to come out that the print-out itself was as fake as they come
Maringo says on national TV- Court is not an option. Then he becomes the main lawyer for the petitioner
Maringo says...We only need to look at those servers, this is the one thing that will establish we have a case...Not sure what he said after looking the servers
Maringo evolves through the case...initially he made everybody believe there was hacking...He thought IEBC will never give access....when finally IEBC gives access, he can only see smoke, the case collapses...he brings new evidence last minute
In other words he has fumbled through this matter from day 1, watering down all the respect he's built over the years, I wonder what was his motivation? When Raila says jump, Orengo hits the clouds. Did you also talk of respect stemming from principle; Orengo stopped being his own man when he realised that for him to contest and win any political office in Siaya, he had to kow tow to Raila, then he chose eating humble pie to sticking to his principles. And it has paid off, he never has to campaign, even when the electorate are not too keen on him Raila ensures that he sails through to be used as became clear in the last couple of Months. Has it ever occurred to you that Orengo could be interested in taking over the leadership of the Luo nation if Raila retires from politics ....if that ever happened? ....but can he?
Yes he could if it had happened earlier when he still had our respect.But after this petition I think he exposed himself and we now know the kind of person he is.Infact he is being blamed for being behind babus failures.He has been lying to him. It will tale time for me to get over the presentation he made the last day using his own report.That was gross and made him look very thuggish. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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