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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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Lolest! wrote:AlphDoti wrote:limanika wrote:The other strategy used by MO1 is he had 3 basic chain sources if Intel. There was provincial administration, special branch and then some informal structure right from the village. This latter one was headed by Hezekiah oyugi at some point.At village level there was a chief, then headman(chiefs asstnt) and someone called Incharge at e lowest level. I understand for the 24yrs,MO1 used to wake up at 4am and by 8am, he had already talked to his informers at the grassroots and was aware of the security situation in every nook and cranny. Woe unto you if you were a DC or high ranking officer and if he calls you are not aware of the situation in your area. This whole system was dismantled when Kibaki came, and he started to rely 100% on official reports, same thing uhuruto is doing. I think this system it's not working especially in Neastern and coast, since officers will normally report what you want to hear I think there is intentionally compromised. How would you explain M01 govt which was more effective compared to this day when we have mobiles, CCTV, cameras, better tools... yet we still do random raids!!! I submit to you that the notion that Moi was better in security is rubbish. He just never faced anything of this magnitude The question of moi facing smthing of this magnitude wouldn't arise, since, if he were in power, the country would be so poor KDF would never have ventured into Somalia. But there is a reason security was tight in his time. Since he was not popularly elected, he had to tighten his grip of the country through the provincial administration and special branch. By default, everybody lived in fear. However, moi had ability to read signs of the time smthing which is lacking now
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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nakujua wrote:murchr wrote:Alba wrote:murchr wrote:
Some education sir, KDF and GSU are two command units. KDF is not equipped nor trained to deal with situations such as those that occurred in Garissa or Westgate..they are bush people, "kill everything on sight" on the other hand GSU guys are a response unit, they are trained on rescue operations and kill a target.
My thinking is we need more response units More Recces stationed in Garissa, Msa, and Nrb since those are the trouble areas. There's no GSU camp in Garissa, but there's one somewhere after Thika, why are these guys not equipped?
If you took time to read my post before responding, you would jave noticed that I said that we need a rapid response unit in Mandera, Wajir and Garissa and I specifically said that a normal army unit is not enough. That Sunday Nation report suggests that the Recce Unit was flown from Ruiru and their equipment had to travel by road to Garissa. That is madness. In any case, that Sunday Nation report lays bare the fact that Kenya fumbled yet another terror attack. A senior officers says its as if we never learned anything from westgate. Again it is due to appointing people based on politics instead of competence. I agree we are very useless when it comes to decision making and critical thinking. I thought its a rule of war that when a soldier is called upon, you get out with your weapon. So how is it that these guys left with nothing and just boarded a plane? Are you seeing a problem there? I dont think Ole lenku, Nkaiserry or that new IG have the solution. We have no mechanisms in place when it comes to disaster preparedness. Do our forces carryout drills? it was mentioned somewhere the hardware they use was too heavy for the plane they were using. True about KDF, I hear they have wiped whole lots of shabaabs in the last 48hrs, they should have done it earlier.Let them guard the borders and fight in Somalia. About RECCE, it's good the government has allocated them 2 dedicated choppers, but we need more of these units in strategic locations. i.am.back!!!!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 10/29/2008 Posts: 1,566
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How do religions help themselves by projecting a view of blood thirsty teach-line. Our authorities: CS Nkaissery seems more keen on PR and concealing of inconvenient truth than anything else. Boinnet could do with some spine. Too much malleability is not the stuff for IG office. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/20/2007 Posts: 4,432
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murchr wrote:alma wrote:I wonder sometimes if people ever read anything that they see on this pages.
Why the shock that the kid was from UON, even the Pangani police bomber was a kid from BCom.
The narrative here is about being Muslim, Al-Shabaab etc vs christians. It means there a lack of seeing the underlying problem.
Alphdoti has commented so many time in these pages but we love reading the easy stuff.
University students don't walk around shooting their comrades unless there's something bigger in play.
I believe the war will be lost unless someone in gov't sits down and deals with this issue outside the prism of Al-Shabaab.
Kenyan Children are Killing Kenyan Children.
Why? Kusema ukweli, the incidents have become too many i don't even remember the pangani attack...when was it carried out? On the question "Why"? Because they have been brainwashed to believe that there's a reward awaiting them (72 Virgins) and that they have the power to fight for their god. Its the same thing that happens to those who get into cults Indulge me for a second These kids were Kenyans with Kenyan Law Degrees Our current solutions of removing daabab camp, walls to nowhere etc would not have prevented this. Our eyes are so stuck on Al-Shabaab. Bombing them where they are. We probably should have bombed Parklands campus and stopped these boys. We may be busy going to fight these fellows over there when the reason why they are moving from Kenya to go over there is actually a Kenyan problem we have refused to acknowledge. It's true they are brainwashed. But any psychologist will tell you, its too late to deal with someone who's brainwashed. Can't we stop them before they are brainwashed? My prayer is that there aren't too many of these brainwashed kids currently wearing suits and leaving in the leefy surburbs of South C. As we try to organise ourselves to deal with the maniacs already in Al-Shabaab, isn't it time to try and figure out how two seemingly well educated fellows decided to kill their agemates? Saying Islam is not taking the problem seriously enough. Even Duale the new Kamotho is a Muslim. Jose: If I make it through this thug life, I'll see you one day. The Lord is the only way to stop the hurt.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/16/2012 Posts: 808
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jaggernaut wrote:limanika wrote:tycho wrote:limanika wrote:tycho wrote:I realize that some of us are deeply interested if not involved with security matters, and mostly intelligence. I have been interested in these matters also.
So, I'd like to ask a question that has been in my mind. . .
What would make the al Shabaab claim that it's going to be 'a long and gruesome war'? The war lords and somali businessmen, many in Kenya and many in Somalia used to benefit from access to kismayu and piracy. The moment KDF captured kismayo, their fortunes all but dwidled. Those in Kenya who were rich have sons who have seen their family fortunes change overnight. They remember the 'good old days' with nolstagia, and also know one thing..only KDF stands in their way back to those days. Hence, they just need KDF to withdraw, they can easily deal with Somali army. Since we have snatched their bread and butter, hence the statement. It means things will get worse so long as we stay in somalia. Sometimes I wonder, if we withdraw, won't these shabaab be too busy fighting amongst themselves, and then international community finds ways of dealing with piracy? I get your point. In a sense it seems like you've translated what they've said explicitly. But here they are also talking about at least, how they'd like to perceive this war, and for practical reasons how they perceive this war. This is about strategy, tactics and the emergent situation ... you get my drift? On strategy the shabab is using, it is contradictory and utter nonsense - for instance, they say they are attacking kenya because 'our troops are in somalia', but when attacking they spare muslims...does it mean it is only bad for non-muslims to be in N.E when our troops are in somalia? And aren't there sections of koran that can be quoted even in the media to dissuade the radicalised youth? i wonder why the govt and muslim leaders are not employing 'propagada' to win back the hearts of the young ones who are being radicalised It is religious cleansing going on under the guise of al shabab and kenya's presence in somalia. That is why churches, buses, hotels, university etc have been attacked and non muslims slaughtered. The attacks are carried out by kenyan youths. If it was a war between kenya and alshabab (for invading their country somalia), then kenyans would have been attacked indiscriminately, not being profiled by being asked to recite the koran, and then shot in the head. Point there jag. They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/21/2011 Posts: 2,032
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These educated youth who have been radicalised, could it also partly be failure in parenting ..you pamper kids all through and when they become adults, they can't cope with the demands? In 2007-2008 we had a case of neighbour turning against Neighbour, is the human mind fundamentally flawed and bordering unto the wild? In such case, how many youth out there are bordering onto this shabab madness for whatever reason or lack thereof?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma wrote:murchr wrote:alma wrote:I wonder sometimes if people ever read anything that they see on this pages.
Why the shock that the kid was from UON, even the Pangani police bomber was a kid from BCom.
The narrative here is about being Muslim, Al-Shabaab etc vs christians. It means there a lack of seeing the underlying problem.
Alphdoti has commented so many time in these pages but we love reading the easy stuff.
University students don't walk around shooting their comrades unless there's something bigger in play.
I believe the war will be lost unless someone in gov't sits down and deals with this issue outside the prism of Al-Shabaab.
Kenyan Children are Killing Kenyan Children.
Why? Kusema ukweli, the incidents have become too many i don't even remember the pangani attack...when was it carried out? On the question "Why"? Because they have been brainwashed to believe that there's a reward awaiting them (72 Virgins) and that they have the power to fight for their god. Its the same thing that happens to those who get into cults Indulge me for a second These kids were Kenyans with Kenyan Law Degrees Our current solutions of removing daabab camp, walls to nowhere etc would not have prevented this. Our eyes are so stuck on Al-Shabaab. Bombing them where they are. We probably should have bombed Parklands campus and stopped these boys. We may be busy going to fight these fellows over there when the reason why they are moving from Kenya to go over there is actually a Kenyan problem we have refused to acknowledge. It's true they are brainwashed. But any psychologist will tell you, its too late to deal with someone who's brainwashed. Can't we stop them before they are brainwashed? My prayer is that there aren't too many of these brainwashed kids currently wearing suits and leaving in the leefy surburbs of South C. As we try to organise ourselves to deal with the maniacs already in Al-Shabaab, isn't it time to try and figure out how two seemingly well educated fellows decided to kill their agemates? Saying Islam is not taking the problem seriously enough. Even Duale the new Kamotho is a Muslim. What Kenyan problem? Clearly its not poverty because that boy was a well educated guy and a promising lawyer so its not that. Bottomline is they are fighting for their God as if he asked them for help. As for closing down the camp...That should have happened years ago when Kibaki first proposed it, reason being, Dadaab is usually their first stop as these infidels try to assimilate, this is where they get information. Remember that lawyer was not alone, several other Somalis and a Tanzanian were with him "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 399 Location: Where everyone knows you
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mawinder wrote:Swenani wrote:I was wondering why would a human being kill/maime another human being s/he has never met before?Then I realised it's possible going by what happens here on wazua;Our hate for team otoyo,2pm gang, lakers, mountaineers is too much yet we have never met, what if that hate is taken offline?....I suspect the death toll will be higher than the 147
We are all terrorist.The Alshabab are more bold than we are! We are a bunch of cowards terrorists If I were to meet the wazua terrorist and his jihadist bride....... @mawinde. Who are these people you are referring to, and what would you do ........................
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/16/2012 Posts: 808
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The reason why Kenya is being attacked despite there being troops in Somali from several countries is because Kenya was the main army that conquered Kismayo. I think that media should have been left out of this, and kept in the dark. Media were allowed to go to the front lines then soon after the victory, it was boasting time, which sent a very strong signal to AS. It should have just been quiet. The media and gov is to be blamed for this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sBb-Oq3gzrk
So far, these attacks have taken place: - Westgate (at least 60) - Mpeketoni (at least 60) - Mandera quarry (36) - Mandera bus execution (28) - Garissa (at least 147) - Various blasts around Nrb Don't know which I've missed Then after the Garissa attack, AS says: "We will, by the permission of Allah, stop at nothing to avenge the deaths of our Muslim brothers until your government ceases its oppression and until all Muslim lands are liberated from Kenyan occupation," "And until then, Kenyan cities will run red with blood... this will be a long, gruesome war of which you, the Kenyan public, are its first casualties." Based on: - Shababs previous actions - Shababs latest vow - Failure in the Gov's security at multiple spheres. In prevention and in response, despite whatever the gov has changed since the first attack. We the citizens are still highly vulnerable, as we are in A STATE OF WAR with a brutal enemy, who's pasts actions testify. Nothing less than the implementation of radical measures will we be able to deal with the radical actions by the enemy. The most obvious radical measure that can be implemented that is favored by the majority of citizens is getting each household armed. Don't think that the reason for this needs to be explained any further. Private security companies also need to have arms. Citizen hand guns to be as common as cell phones, at work, school, in malls etc... What other real and decent alternatives are available? Speeches can be made, but do nothing to protect the civilian. Real measures need to be implemented, to protect human lives. They tried to bury us, they didn't know we were seeds.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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alma wrote:I wonder sometimes if people ever read anything that they see on this pages.
Why the shock that the kid was from UON, even the Pangani police bomber was a kid from BCom.
The narrative here is about being Muslim, Al-Shabaab etc vs christians. It means there a lack of seeing the underlying problem.
Alphdoti has commented so many time in these pages but we love reading the easy stuff.
University students don't walk around shooting their comrades unless there's something bigger in play.
I believe the war will be lost unless someone in gov't sits down and deals with this issue outside the prism of Al-Shabaab.
Kenyan Children are Killing Kenyan Children.
Why? Don't put a premium on being 'Kenyan'. It would be better to ask why a human would kill another. It can't be because of religious belief. It can only be because there's an 'us' versus 'them' mentality and 'us' is threatened in some way by 'them'. It's about the politics of experience.
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