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Ja-Kom		#31 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:25:39 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 4/28/2009 Posts: 290		And whats with assigning everyone a hospital for a year? .. I should be able to walk in anywhere for the so called improved services! The increases can only be justified if and only if services are SEEN to improve as they say.But saizi,am not so sure anything will change. For just as through the disobedience of the one man the many were made sinners, so also through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous. Romans 5:19
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emlyn ngwiri		#32 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:34:50 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 8/12/2010 Posts: 129 Location: nairobi		i think the big shots are sourcing for money to fund new lavish cars
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Sasha		#33 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:32:45 AM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/5/2007 Posts: 627		I seem to remember Dr Richard Muga i.e. the Chairman of the NHIF Board indicating that the main plan is to build another referral hospital in Nairobi. The grapevine says that the initial plan was to look for land somewhere in Embakasi to build the hospital there. But since land prices are comparatively cheaper in Embakasi and therefore difficult to inflate, the plan changed to Karen where you can easily inflate the prices, thus a chance to embezzle the money. Other referral hospital are welcome. But why put them in Nairobi? Why not one in Isiolo, another one in Kisii, another one in Voi etc. Why should someone come all the way from Loiyangalani to come and queue at KNH or Karen?
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groupielove		#34 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:34:40 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 6/21/2010 Posts: 119 Location: Nairobi		mukiha wrote: Fundaah wrote: Mukiha Have you recently visited any of the public hospitals...No Syringes....No medicines....Nurses with attitude...no doctors...no equipments....yet NHIF has been throwing our contributions into corruption mega scandals ....with these scandals in mind ....can we say that what we are contributing now is not enough?....if there were prudent management at NHIF ....would we really oppose ?....aren't we opposing because the little that we have been contributing is being misused? @Fundaah; Right now, as we are discussing this, my brother is recuperating at KNH. There are medicines; there are syringes; nurses have attitude - very good one (!!!) and very helpful; doctors are available (but number should be increased).... Are you taliking of KNH that we'll know? A Kenyatta where there is nothing like emergency. My friend's daughter was hit by a speeding matatu at 6pm, dashed to KNH by 7pm and she was only checked the following day at 7am. She didn't make it. Last month I took a critically ill person and was only admitted at 7pm after spending in Hos the whole night. If u have an emergency, the place to avoid is KNH.Let's see how they will do with the NHIF money
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groupielove		#35 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 11:40:17 AM
Rank: Member Joined: 6/21/2010 Posts: 119 Location: Nairobi		Sasha wrote: I seem to remember Dr Richard Muga i.e. the Chairman of the NHIF Board indicating that the main plan is to build another referral hospital in Nairobi. The grapevine says that the initial plan was to look for land somewhere in Embakasi to build the hospital there. But since land prices are comparatively cheaper in Embakasi and therefore difficult to inflate, the plan changed to Karen where you can easily inflate the prices, thus a chance to embezzle the money. Other referral hospital are welcome. But why put them in Nairobi? Why not one in Isiolo, another one in Kisii, another one in Voi etc. Why should someone come all the way from Loiyangalani to come and queue at KNH or Karen? The plan didn't change. I understand they have already acquired land off Kangundo road on your way to Kayole (which is in Emba).
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bird_man		#36 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 12:57:40 PM
Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/2/2006 Posts: 1,206 Location: Nairobi		@Mukiha,interesting.You are the only one defending this punitive contributions.This means you know something that most of us might not know.Or perhaps some of us are ignorant as far as all these is concerned. Question1:Why is the contribution mandatory?Why not make it optional so that those who prefer private health insurers contribute there? Question2:NHIF has been implicated in many mega-scandals.From land to ICT software & equipment.Every big shot in fact has a contract with them for this and that.The reason that NHIF has not been able to adequately insure is not due to lack of funds but mismanagement & ineffective policies.What has changed?Why should i contribute more funds only to be misused? Formally employed people often live their employers' dream & forget about their own.
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Ric dees		#37 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 1:29:04 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 3/6/2008 Posts: 632		From the onset this looks like an idea whose time has come. I can understand the feelings of the populace here esp in regards to the company in question NHIF and it's chequered past.It's blatantly unfair to ask some-one who earns 20k to pay the same as one who earns 200k that is un-acceptable!! However from where i am standing the issue to me is the rational behind this move, SOCIAL Health Insurance, so they call it. This is a leftist ideology and what worries me is, what are we being set up for? What is in-store in the future with a possible left leaning government? I think this are the questions we should be asking ourselves and what reprieve if any can we hope for. Is leftisim the future?? The greatest danger in times of turbulence is not the turbulence; it is to act with yesterday's logic.
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Tebes		#38 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 4:39:09 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 11/26/2008 Posts: 2,097		After 540 million was sunk into collapsed Euro Bank...... And none recovered...... Now comes new investment ideas...... To sink in more money...... As we draw closer to 2012 election year..... Funds will be required..... *"Never regret, if its good, its wonderful. If its bad, its experience."*
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mjuaji wa stocks		#39 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:06:51 PM
Rank: Member Joined: 1/16/2010 Posts: 672 Location: nairobi		there is already an uproar in the U.S because of Obamacare....which is being replicated here in kenya.... That the gava will chose to insure you...means you will be subject to go to their hospitals of choice.....for you to benefit from their insurance.......possibility of chosing a doctor for youis high too.....what about chosing who to treat and who not to??,......it amountss to chosing who should die and who should live... I fear this socialism thing....i fear a big brother government.....i fear the secret behind this universal insurance thing.......probably population control in the offing..... Why trust a corrupt gava to take care of my health?? TO ME ...THIS IS ROBBERY!!NKT. God gave me the power to make wealth ... Blessed the work of my hands & enabled be A SELF MADE BILLIONAIRE ...... TO GOD THE FATHER OF MY LORD JESUS CHRIST; BE THE GLORY NOW & FOREVER MORE!
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mukiha		#40 Posted : Wednesday, September 29, 2010 5:22:51 PM
Rank: Elder Joined: 6/27/2008 Posts: 4,114		@groupielove; Yes, KNH. I agree with you, the process of getting treatment takes a very long time. We took my bro there at 8pm and got him admitted at 4am - 8hrs later. However, in all the dealings with the nurses and doctors at the Emergency section, I found their attitudes quite good. Especially considering the workload they had to deal with. If I were the one on duty that night, I would have gone mad! With that in mind, I think they try very hard to treat all patients. But when some one becomes impatient with them, they can react badly. So be polite with them and you will be amazed. Speaking of delayed treatment; I once went to Mater Hospital with chest pains. I arrived at 1pm went through the following: Registration - 3min Preliminary check-up with nurse (temp, bp etc) - 2min Consult with doctor - 5min ECG check-up - 2min 2nd consult with doctor - 3min Present prescription to pharmacy - 30sec Pay for drugs - 1min Collect drugs - 2min Total time getting actual service was 13min, 30sec..... I left the hospital at 6.30pm - 5hr 30min later!!!!! So, given that KNH is a public hosp, I'd say they are out-doing the private ones, 10-nil!!! Nothing is real unless it can be named; nothing has value unless it can be sold; money is worthless unless you spend it.
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