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funnyguy
#31 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:08:01 PM
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@Fundaah, thanks for your patience. I guess we'll have to make sure that the next bunch or parliamenterians are beyond reproach! Personally, I have no faith in them. . .that they have the country's best interest at heart.

I've been almost indifferent about the referendum but I'm learning a lot that might change my mind about it.
Fundaah
#32 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:13:59 PM
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kadonye wrote:
My fear is we'll have international treaties being part of our constitution.Which section specifies that any ratification will go through bunge?



That is where the parliament shall come in handy ...they should come up with an Act to legislate the ratification....furthermore laws are made in a continous /dynamic manner...furthermore what are we paying them millions to do?....make laws
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Wendz
#33 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:25:47 PM
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kadonye wrote:
My fear is we'll have international treaties being part of our constitution.Which section specifies that any ratification will go through bunge?


I would think, since its the law making body in the country, it just follows that they are the ones entrusted in making/ratifying it as law - unless we want to put everything in the katiba.... My thinking.
kadonye
#34 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:52:48 PM
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Thanks ladies, I now see why we should see more of u in bungesmile smile (This was also a contentious issue for me but I relaxed on it)

According to Wikipidea, it's not obvious who ratifies treaties elsewhere in the world though in most cases it is parliament that does it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratification
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kadonye
#35 Posted : Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:57:05 PM
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With these many interpretation issues which are clear even to laymen in law,I think it's wise I change my career to law.smile

By 30 I'll be an LLBsmile
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Fundaah
#36 Posted : Friday, July 16, 2010 10:12:36 AM
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I think with proper civic education....this document can get an overwhelming acceptable.....delibarate minformation ....ignorance....selective reading. propaganda ....resitance to change .....fear of the unknown...and negativity are some of the factors making the document look bad.....I was impressed by Bishop Korir on KTN on agenda 5 programme when he said that the document is over 75% good....this was honesty.....From the discussion and his arguments with proper explanation in regards to Law ..... and willingness on their side to learn ......the Law profession is very broad and versatile....I feel that the Clergy can be convinced to support the draft....The COE did a good job in the programme too...Please lets avoid egocentric....


Please.....please...... please Vote peacefully ...whichever way you vote...Love and embrace your brothers and sisters ..... Kenya is our only home and it belongs to us all....preach this also to your folks...there is life after August 5....Dont fight....
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funnyguy
#37 Posted : Friday, July 16, 2010 10:55:38 AM
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@Fundaah. I don't think the clergy have ever condemned the document as 100% bad. The bone of contention has been when to sort out the 'bad' issues (before or after referendum), i think.
Wendz
#38 Posted : Friday, July 16, 2010 11:30:27 AM
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funnyguy wrote:
@Fundaah. I don't think the clergy have ever condemned the document as 100% bad. The bone of contention has been when to sort out the 'bad' issues (before or after referendum), i think.


Who watched Agenda 5 yesterday? The priest was not even letting the lawyer interpret the document just because it did not give the meaning that he wanted it to give....
Fundaah
#39 Posted : Friday, July 16, 2010 11:40:54 AM
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Wendz wrote:
funnyguy wrote:
@Fundaah. I don't think the clergy have ever condemned the document as 100% bad. The bone of contention has been when to sort out the 'bad' issues (before or after referendum), i think.


Who watched Agenda 5 yesterday? The priest was not even letting the lawyer interpret the document just because it did not give the meaning that he wanted it to give....


That is why I said lets stop being egocentric....Only God is all knowing ....With proper education and willingness to learn... the clergy can see where they may be going wrong....

Please Christians ....its time to pray for God's revelation.....and let the will of God to take course...
Please.....please...... please Vote peacefully ...whichever way you vote...Love and embrace your brothers and sisters ..... Kenya is our only home and it belongs to us all....preach this also to your folks...there is life after August 5....Dont fight....
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Ngalaka
#40 Posted : Friday, July 16, 2010 11:51:13 AM
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Kenya is already a signatory to various international laws.
That means Kenya has already ratified them!
Upon the passage of the proposed constitution, those laws automatically become part of Kenyan law.
e.g ICC and its laws.
These weren’t debated and passed by Parliament.

But any way, we are dying to jump headlong into this, so any explanation to the contrary is supposed to be jeered upon.
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