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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/20/2015 Posts: 2,811 Location: Mombasa
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Angelica _ann wrote:This lying in state business should be done away with, not necessary at all.  It is constitutional! Respect the verdict of the document you voted YES on 2010. John 5:17 But Jesus replied, “My Father is always working, and so am I.”
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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/5/2010 Posts: 2,459
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Lolest! wrote:[quote=Oduor Ong'wen] In African traditions, it is unacceptable to talk ill of the dead – more so if the deceased was an elder. So, I will seek to not to condemn him but to describe the man as I knew him and let history do the judgement. Those who have acknowledged that the departed former president was not a paragon of virtue have averred Moi was a good man and a democrat until the abortive coup of August 1982 and his oppressive mien emerged as a reaction to the putsch. That is the narrative I seek to debunk. http://gundilahaki.blogs...-as-i-knew-him.html?m=1[/quote] This should be mandatory reading before anyone comments on this thread. Moi was EVIL.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 1/10/2015 Posts: 961 Location: Kenya
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He grabbed public and private land to put up schools using public funds and staffed the schools with govt teachers then later claimed the schools were private. eg Kabarak, Sacho, sunshine etc. The schools should be returned to the tax payer. http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/view/91707/
http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/view/105710Proverbs 13:11 Dishonest money dwindles away, but whoever gathers money little by little makes it grow.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/13/2015 Posts: 1,602
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FRM2011 wrote:Lolest! wrote:Oduor Ong'wen wrote: In African traditions, it is unacceptable to talk ill of the dead – more so if the deceased was an elder. So, I will seek to not to condemn him but to describe the man as I knew him and let history do the judgement. Those who have acknowledged that the departed former president was not a paragon of virtue have averred Moi was a good man and a democrat until the abortive coup of August 1982 and his oppressive mien emerged as a reaction to the putsch. That is the narrative I seek to debunk. http://gundilahaki.blogs...-as-i-knew-him.html?m=1 This should be mandatory reading before anyone comments on this thread. Moi was EVIL. Martyr syndrome Quote:A martyr complex is when someone deliberately seeks out suffering or persecution for their own selfish, psychological need. They have a deep desire to take ownership of others’ suffering in order to make their life more meaningful. Have you ever had a friend who consistently goes above and beyond the ‘norm’ for you? But then they expect a shower of affection for all of their ‘sacrifices’? They are probably a martyr!
The main thing to note is that martyr’s will suffer NEEDLESSLY by choice most of the time. They are the type of people who would rather continue to suffer from the problem, rather than fixing it, because to fix it would deny them the fulfillment they feel from the suffering in the first place. They tend to be very complex people, who thrive on validation and approval from the people around them. Quote:How to deal with a martyr: 1. Listen to their issues ONLY ONCE. Do not fall prey to someone else using you for their own need to be self-sacrificing. 2. Don’t get sucked in by their victim mentality. Self pity is dis-empowering and isn’t healthy for spiritual growth. 3. Do not tolerate any form of emotional blackmail or abuse. Such as ultimatums, withholding your guilt, if they try to change you in any way in exchange for love or time etc. Written by Abbey Stirling https://educateinspirech...omeone-martyr-syndrome/
Martyrs should know this is Moi's funeral. Theirs will not be like this. This world is not a fair place.
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Rank: Member Joined: 2/15/2018 Posts: 428
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alma1 wrote:As I have said many many times. Let me repeat.
Most people don't read. They let baba read for them.
Case in point about the 80's economy. Even Ndii will agree that it was the IMF and their stupid structural adjustment program that destroyed the Kenyan economy. Even the IMF has confessed.
Try again Kenya's economy was already in decline long before the IMF structural adjustment programs. BBC did a documentary about Kenya in 1982. Its available on youtube. It says clearly that by 1982 Kenya was already facing rising unemployment and increasing poverty. A result of massive corruption. In the documentary, Oginga Odinga is heard saying precisely that. But as you well know, Oginga was ostracized by the Kenyatta govt and subsequently the Moi govt both of whom dismissed him as an enemy of the people. Watch the BBC documentary from the 7:20 mark https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2zbpGmV9I34IMF may have played a role but our leaders and the people who support them are the primary culprits. IMF is only a secondary perhaps even tertiary culprit. Again Kenya's economy has been in decline for decades and only now is it really starting to bite. Others saw it coming decades ago.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Lest We Forget... Quote:In a twinkling, the striking elderly women stripped naked.
Most of them were over 70 years and those of us nearby noticed that age had really gnawed at many parts of their wrinkled and sagging bodies.
It was later to be explained that the harmless mothers did so as a last resort of defence and a curse to the autocratic administration. Even in my drunken hate, I shudder to post the pictures of the elderly women holding up their dresses and the dreaded GSU averting their eyes. https://businesstoday.co...s-international-cameras/
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/25/2015 Posts: 839 Location: Kite
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[quote=aemathenge] Lest We Forget... Quote:In a twinkling, the striking elderly women stripped naked.
Most of them were over 70 years and those of us nearby noticed that age had really gnawed at many parts of their wrinkled and sagging bodies.
It was later to be explained that the harmless mothers did so as a last resort of defence and a curse to the autocratic administration. Even in my drunken hate, I shudder to post the pictures of the elderly women holding up their dresses and the dreaded GSU averting their eyes. https://businesstoday.co...-international-cameras/[/quote] Anybody who was mature enough in that error to understand issues cannot comprehend what people are talking now. It was pathetic for 24 years. RIP
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Rank: Member Joined: 8/25/2015 Posts: 839 Location: Kite
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And then as is now MOBITELEA is still a mystery, why?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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The Right Honourable Raila Odinga. Sometimes I want to Kill you. Sometimes I want to Kiss you. Thank you very much Sir. You have made my day. No drinking tonight, thanks to you. Goodnight Sir.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,909
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Why couldn't any of Kibaki tois read his speach today, asking for a friend? In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Member Joined: 9/25/2008 Posts: 510
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Angelica _ann wrote:Why couldn't any of Kibaki tois read his speach today, asking for a friend? Coz he did not write it, life is slowing down for him I AM trust in GOD, I AM belief in THYSELF
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,328 Location: Masada
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I haven't seen John-Mark in all this videos. Where is he? Portfolio: Sold
You know you've made it when you get a parking space for your yatcht.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,909
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Impunity wrote:I haven't seen John-Mark in all this videos.
Where is he? His bible has been given to the wife. In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/8/2013 Posts: 4,068 Location: At Large.
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Impunity wrote:I haven't seen John-Mark in all this videos.
Where is he? It is being said he is unwell.Rumours being that it's a drug related problem. Whatever the case or source of ailment....bottom line is he is unwell and not able to attend. Our society today has several of this cases with every other family having a victim. Time for us as a society to think hard where we are failing and take corrective action. Love is beautiful and so are those who share it.With Love, Marriage is an amazing event in ones life time, the foundation of joy, happiness and success.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/7/2012 Posts: 11,909
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UMK laughter ni ya uchokozi yawa!!! In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 6/8/2010 Posts: 1,729
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RAO is a great story teller, dwells in History hopefully he will change to futuristic soon. Life is an endless adventure
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/10/2010 Posts: 281 Location: Nairobi
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Watching the news and how the man has been portrayed by the media, one cannot help but notice that the leadership of the country is predominantly composed of sycophants.
Let the man rest. No amount of praise posthumously will change who he was.
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Rank: Member Joined: 11/21/2018 Posts: 564 Location: Britain
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T-Bag wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Why couldn't any of Kibaki tois read his speach today, asking for a friend? Coz he did not write it, life is slowing down for him Secondly the guy who read the speech is his nephew, despite being a governor of a neighbouring county.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/3/2008 Posts: 4,057 Location: Gwitu
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Queen wrote:T-Bag wrote:Angelica _ann wrote:Why couldn't any of Kibaki tois read his speach today, asking for a friend? Coz he did not write it, life is slowing down for him Secondly the guy who read the speech is his nephew, despite being a governor of a neighbouring county. All these years and you guys haven't understood Kibaki? The guy shields his family so much. Even Jimmy was told to hold back from politics. Truth forever on the scaffold
Wrong forever on the throne
(James Russell Rowell)
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 3/27/2009 Posts: 1,437
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[quote=sqft]He grabbed public and private land to put up schools using public funds and staffed the schools with govt teachers then later claimed the schools were private. eg Kabarak, Sacho, sunshine etc. The schools should be returned to the tax payer. http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/view/91707/
http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/view/105710[/quote] Sacho specifically should be returned to the public. It has always been public. The family should also be surcharged for the public resources used on Kabarak schools.
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