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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,708
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hardwood wrote:Why doesn't the article tell us about Cohens movements on the night of 19/20th? All it says is that he was at Muthaiga golf club at 10pm "drinking and worrying". If the author is able to trace Karanjas movements and phone signals, CCTV from naivasha to nairobi and back he should do the same for cohen. eg does CCTV at muthaiga club record him leaving, do cameras on lower kabete road capture his cars movements, when did he arrive home, did the askaris at his gate and neighbours' gates see him arrive, was his phone signal captured at his home, did the workers living in the compound see or hear anything etc etc. Also what about the 2 ladies he was allegedly last seen with? Methinks the key to this mystery is the mjengo. That is very easy to verify. Who poured the simiti to cover the manhole? Who moved the tank? Who gave the contract to build whatever was to be built on top of it? I am also quite fascinated by Murgor's very spirited defense. This case has all the hallmarks of a thrilling Oscar winning movie or documentary!!! All those Kenyan writers who write PhD theses for students in the UK should be taking notes here and come up with a 10 hour Netflix special.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/29/2011 Posts: 2,242
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Kusadikika wrote:hardwood wrote:Why doesn't the article tell us about Cohens movements on the night of 19/20th? All it says is that he was at Muthaiga golf club at 10pm "drinking and worrying". If the author is able to trace Karanjas movements and phone signals, CCTV from naivasha to nairobi and back he should do the same for cohen. eg does CCTV at muthaiga club record him leaving, do cameras on lower kabete road capture his cars movements, when did he arrive home, did the askaris at his gate and neighbours' gates see him arrive, was his phone signal captured at his home, did the workers living in the compound see or hear anything etc etc. Also what about the 2 ladies he was allegedly last seen with? Methinks the key to this mystery is the mjengo. That is very easy to verify. Who poured the simiti to cover the manhole? Who moved the tank? Who gave the contract to build whatever was to be built on top of it? I am also quite fascinated by Murgor's very spirited defense. This case has all the hallmarks of a thrilling Oscar winning movie or documentary!!! All those Kenyan writers who write PhD theses for students in the UK should be taking notes here and come up with a 10 hour Netflix special. They could but once the key actors are Karanja and Wairimu, it becomes another Kiriamiti's "My Life in Crime" script. "Things that matter most must never be at the mercy of things that matter least." Goethe
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Rank: Member Joined: 1/15/2010 Posts: 625
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I think the key to this mystery will be the arrest of the actual killers or hired hitmen.
What is not contestable is that there's a gruesome murder here. All we should be concerned about is finding out who did it. So far the evidence points strongly towards Sarah and conspirators. She had assaulted the money before, she had a motive, there's a lover waiting on the wings, murder at their home, too many smoking guns. For the sake of all of us it's important that the killers are brought to book quickly to discourage would be murderers.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/22/2008 Posts: 2,708
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mv_ufanisi wrote:I think the key to this mystery will be the arrest of the actual killers or hired hitmen.
What is not contestable is that there's a gruesome murder here. All we should be concerned about is finding out who did it. So far the evidence points strongly towards Sarah and conspirators. She had assaulted the money before, she had a motive, there's a lover waiting on the wings, murder at their home, too many smoking guns. For the sake of all of us it's important that the killers are brought to book quickly to discourage would be murderers. Have you watched this?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Kusadikika wrote:mv_ufanisi wrote:I think the key to this mystery will be the arrest of the actual killers or hired hitmen.
What is not contestable is that there's a gruesome murder here. All we should be concerned about is finding out who did it. So far the evidence points strongly towards Sarah and conspirators. She had assaulted the money before, she had a motive, there's a lover waiting on the wings, murder at their home, too many smoking guns. For the sake of all of us it's important that the killers are brought to book quickly to discourage would be murderers. Have you watched this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iC1taY616Y0
It's very important that they trace Cohen's movements from Muthaiga club on the night of 19th to his home. Otherwise we cant be certain that he was murdered at his home and on that date, especially now that Murgor has said that "the body wasn't decomposed or bloated and wasn't smelling".
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:Who can paste that law of inheritance here? It is not a right, if a will exists, it prevails. Your estate should pass on to your dependents i.e wife and kids, and they can contest the will if you leave the estate to 'strangers'. Also matrimonial property is owned on a 50/50 basis and therefore one spouse can not claim to pass all matrimonial property to 3rd parties. Matrimonial property is not 50/50 otherwise Kavindu Muthama would have acquired Muthama's wealth. What does the law say? Quote:PART II – WILLS
Capacity
5. Persons capable of making wills and freedom of testation
(1) Subject to the provisions of this Part and Part III, every person who is of sound mind and not a minor may dispose of all or any of his free property by will, and may thereby make any disposition by reference to any secular or religious
law that he chooses.
(2) A female person, whether married or unmarried, has the same capacity to make a will as does a male person.
(3) Any person making or purporting to make a will shall be deemed to be of sound mind for the purpose of this section unless he is at the time of executing
the will, in such a state of mind, whether arising from mental or physical illness, drunkenness, or from any other cause, as not to know what he is doing.
(4) The burden of proof that a testator was, at the time he made any will, not of sound mind, shall be upon the person who so alleges. You now see why this woman was working tirelessly to convince people that Cohen was insane. For the dependant, if they are not included on the will, its up to the discretion of the court to determine if the so called dependant is worth it Quote:28. Circumstances to be taken into account by court in making order
In considering whether any order should be made under this Part, and if so
what order, the court shall have regard to—
(a) the nature and amount of the deceased’s property;
(b) any past, present or future capital or income from any source of the defendant;
(c) the existing and future means and needs of the dependant;
(d) whether the deceased had made any advancement or other gift to the dependant during his lifetime;
(e) the conduct of the dependant in relation to the deceased;
(f) the situation and circumstances of the deceased’s other dependants and the beneficiaries under any will;
(g) the general circumstances of the case, including, so far as can be ascertained, the testator’s reasons for not making provision for the dependant. It can be argued that this man provided the child with education and the judge can say that's enough. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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He didn't leave the house to the sister...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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I fell for the narrative. Probably in a bitter person hearing the story. I think this case will go nowhere very fast. When I start hearing there are people already entering someone's house even before a postmortem and yet there are not direct relatives, I start thinking otherwise. This case may taint the DCI forever if they didn't take care of the scene of crime. I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that the police did not see a septic tank the first day they went into the house. I also find it hard to believe that if someone is killed on a property, there is no evidence other than a tied up body that has not started decomposing after 2 months. Tero me another one. I'm sorry but this case, will open up the cracks on how investigations are handled or mishandled. Now that the media can't yap about it, we shall wait for the REAL evidence in court.. The mendia has now as bad as chocho mendia. Sad Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma1 wrote:I fell for the narrative. Probably in a bitter person hearing the story.
I think this case will go nowhere very fast.
When I start hearing there are people already entering someone's house even before a postmortem and yet there are not direct relatives, I start thinking otherwise.
This case may taint the DCI forever if they didn't take care of the scene of crime. I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that the police did not see a septic tank the first day they went into the house.
I also find it hard to believe that if someone is killed on a property, there is no evidence other than a tied up body that has not started decomposing after 2 months.
Tero me another one.
I'm sorry but this case, will open up the cracks on how investigations are handled or mishandled.
Now that the media can't yap about it, we shall wait for the REAL evidence in court..
The mendia has now as bad as chocho mendia.
Sad
Do not listen to Murgor. DCI entered Cohen's hse with Sarah several times before. She was even taken there to shower showed Kinoti several rooms. The confession led Kinoti back there. @Hardwood. Sarah & her workers stated that the man left the house in a taxi and did not come back But Safaricom data shows he actually did not leave the hse and his phone was pinging in there all this time. As we have said before your phone will be your savior or betrayer. Peter Karanja's phone was also pinging from the hse. Why would it be pinging there? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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murchr wrote:You now see why this woman was working tirelessly to convince people that Cohen was insane. You are wrong. She had complained about his "madness" to Cohen's sister and her husband for quite sometime and the relatives appeared helpless... 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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alma1 wrote:I fell for the narrative. Probably in a bitter person hearing the story.
I think this case will go nowhere very fast.
When I start hearing there are people already entering someone's house even before a postmortem and yet there are not direct relatives, I start thinking otherwise.
This case may taint the DCI forever if they didn't take care of the scene of crime. I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that the police did not see a septic tank the first day they went into the house.
I also find it hard to believe that if someone is killed on a property, there is no evidence other than a tied up body that has not started decomposing after 2 months.
Tero me another one.
I'm sorry but this case, will open up the cracks on how investigations are handled or mishandled.
Now that the media can't yap about it, we shall wait for the REAL evidence in court..
The mendia has now as bad as chocho mendia.
Sad
Glad that you have finally seen the light after all the matusi you directed at me.. 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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murchr wrote:
Do not listen to Murgor. DCI entered Cohen's hse with Sarah several times before. She was even taken there to shower showed Kinoti several rooms.
The confession led Kinoti back there.
@Hardwood.
Sarah & her workers stated that the man left the house in a taxi and did not come back
But Safaricom data shows he actually did not leave the hse and his phone was pinging in there all this time. As we have said before your phone will be your savior or betrayer. Peter Karanja's phone was also pinging from the hse. Why would it be pinging there?
That is what the police are saying. That is not what is in court. If half of what Murgor said is true, then there's no judge going to convict anyone for murder. I mean come on Murchr... It's a scene of the crime. They bring in hoards of mendia to boot to take photos of the body, the grounds, the so called septic tank etc on the same day that the body is alleged to have been found. You have to be kidding me.. A good lawyer will just have all that so called evidence dismissed as probably tampered with. The police have to prove the exact date of death. On that day the fella Karanga was "pinged" in that area, he could have been sleeping with her. That's not a crime, is it? How do the police know the exact date and time of death without a post moterm? From another suspect? You are joking a lot Murchr. This will not be easy. All I want to know is who stands to benefit from the death of Cohen. Also who stands to benefit from the jailing of this woman. I can't get my head around the fact that Cohen's direct dependent is being sidelined by his sisters and also the neighbor who is alleged to have already chased away the workers...Who are these people? Poleni, but that is something that a good cop should be investigating. Now more than ever. As for Hardwood, I still believe that it is people like you who bring up all these issues. It's sad to see the mendia has joined your 327 bob crew. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:You now see why this woman was working tirelessly to convince people that Cohen was insane. You are wrong. She had complained about his "madness" to Cohen's sister and her husband for quite sometime and the relatives appeared helpless... Yes because she was planning it all along. Even went to the extent of hiding the title deed to the house. "Malice a forethought" "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:
Do not listen to Murgor. DCI entered Cohen's hse with Sarah several times before. She was even taken there to shower showed Kinoti several rooms.
The confession led Kinoti back there.
@Hardwood.
Sarah & her workers stated that the man left the house in a taxi and did not come back
But Safaricom data shows he actually did not leave the hse and his phone was pinging in there all this time. As we have said before your phone will be your savior or betrayer. Peter Karanja's phone was also pinging from the hse. Why would it be pinging there?
That is what the police are saying. That is not what is in court. If half of what Murgor said is true, then there's no judge going to convict anyone for murder. I mean come on Murchr... It's a scene of the crime. They bring in hoards of mendia to boot to take photos of the body, the grounds, the so called septic tank etc on the same day that the body is alleged to have been found. You have to be kidding me.. A good lawyer will just have all that so called evidence dismissed as probably tampered with. The police have to prove the exact date of death. On that day the fella Karanga was "pinged" in that area, he could have been sleeping with her. That's not a crime, is it? How do the police know the exact date and time of death without a post moterm? From another suspect? You are joking a lot Murchr. This will not be easy. As for Hardwood, I still believe that it is people like you who bring up all these issues. It's sad to see the mendia has joined your 327 bob crew. Murgor atetee client kwa koti si kwa street. She's still undergoing mental evaluation - Mambo bado "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:murchr wrote:
Do not listen to Murgor. DCI entered Cohen's hse with Sarah several times before. She was even taken there to shower showed Kinoti several rooms.
The confession led Kinoti back there.
@Hardwood.
Sarah & her workers stated that the man left the house in a taxi and did not come back
But Safaricom data shows he actually did not leave the hse and his phone was pinging in there all this time. As we have said before your phone will be your savior or betrayer. Peter Karanja's phone was also pinging from the hse. Why would it be pinging there?
That is what the police are saying. That is not what is in court. If half of what Murgor said is true, then there's no judge going to convict anyone for murder. I mean come on Murchr... It's a scene of the crime. They bring in hoards of mendia to boot to take photos of the body, the grounds, the so called septic tank etc on the same day that the body is alleged to have been found. You have to be kidding me.. A good lawyer will just have all that so called evidence dismissed as probably tampered with. The police have to prove the exact date of death. On that day the fella Karanga was "pinged" in that area, he could have been sleeping with her. That's not a crime, is it? How do the police know the exact date and time of death without a post moterm? From another suspect? You are joking a lot Murchr. This will not be easy. As for Hardwood, I still believe that it is people like you who bring up all these issues. It's sad to see the mendia has joined your 327 bob crew. Murgor atetee client kwa koti si kwa street. She's still undergoing mental evaluation - Mambo bado Don't change the timeline like those cops with so called "pinging". Murgor like a good lawyer went on TV after the DCI had started the game of telling stories to newspapers. What's good for the cops, is good for Murgor too. And he was winning. Then he went one step further and actually asked the court to stop these "leaks" to the media. Murchr, the cops have a lawyer who is going to run circles round them. They had better have better evidence than the Mills and Boons stories they've been feeding the "mendia". Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Member Joined: 3/19/2013 Posts: 344
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hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:You now see why this woman was working tirelessly to convince people that Cohen was insane. You are wrong. She had complained about his "madness" to Cohen's sister and her husband for quite sometime and the relatives appeared helpless... Yaani people even have access to someones whatsapp messages?!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Sansa wrote:hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:You now see why this woman was working tirelessly to convince people that Cohen was insane. You are wrong. She had complained about his "madness" to Cohen's sister and her husband for quite sometime and the relatives appeared helpless... Yaani people even have access to someones whatsapp messages?! They are all over the interwebs.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Sansa wrote:hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:You now see why this woman was working tirelessly to convince people that Cohen was insane. You are wrong. She had complained about his "madness" to Cohen's sister and her husband for quite sometime and the relatives appeared helpless... Yaani people even have access to someones whatsapp messages?! Sarah did share this info --- why? Your guess is as good as mine. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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murchr wrote:Sansa wrote:hardwood wrote:murchr wrote:You now see why this woman was working tirelessly to convince people that Cohen was insane. You are wrong. She had complained about his "madness" to Cohen's sister and her husband for quite sometime and the relatives appeared helpless... Yaani people even have access to someones whatsapp messages?! Sarah did share this info --- why? Your guess is as good as mine. Why not? The mendia, especially the Nation was busy writing how evil she was..What did you want her to do, sleep as she was being f***ed? Even me, if you come for me the way the mendia did, be prepared for war. You know what, the more this evil woman narrative is being thrown around, the more suspicious I get.. I have changed my mind. Sarah deserves a good defense just like any other citizen. She is innocent until proven guilty. Let the cops bring their evidence to court so that it can be judged. I would like to know under what law of succession the sister and brother, who are not even Kenyan citizens, can get rights to a home. Remember, she's still the wife and yes, the guy does have a dependent. His daughter. Yes, the one he was soooo hurt about for not saying hi to his new relatives. I really would like to know that particular angle in this case. Why sideline the wife and daughter, who are still alive? Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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Meanwhile, Cohen’s sister has described Sarah as a charming, entertaining and very friendly person...
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