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Queen
#31 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2019 3:59:45 PM
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Joined: 11/21/2018
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Location: Britain
Rollout wrote:
hardwood wrote:
radio wrote:
2012 wrote:
2Czar wrote:
Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ?


I was wondering the same!
If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit.


I know many software devs in Nairobi earning 300-700k per month. Network engineers earn much more. But I doubt they are ready to start a business and nurture it.

Businesses need much more than talent.


What is this software they have developed? Some examples please.


Very possible. I have hired developer in India in the past, I paid them $3500 for work that I knew took them less than 50hrs. You just need about 1 of such project in a month to make Ksh.300k.



That income does not qualify to be called a salary.
Angelica _ann
#32 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2019 4:04:02 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,935
Queen wrote:
Rollout wrote:
hardwood wrote:
radio wrote:
2012 wrote:
2Czar wrote:
Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ?


I was wondering the same!
If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit.


I know many software devs in Nairobi earning 300-700k per month. Network engineers earn much more. But I doubt they are ready to start a business and nurture it.

Businesses need much more than talent.


What is this software they have developed? Some examples please.


Very possible. I have hired developer in India in the past, I paid them $3500 for work that I knew took them less than 50hrs. You just need about 1 of such project in a month to make Ksh.300k.



That income does not qualify to be called a salary.


That is the way Consultants survive smile
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Queen
#33 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2019 4:09:38 PM
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Joined: 11/21/2018
Posts: 564
Location: Britain
Angelica _ann wrote:
Queen wrote:
Rollout wrote:
hardwood wrote:
radio wrote:
2012 wrote:
2Czar wrote:
Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ?


I was wondering the same!
If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit.


I know many software devs in Nairobi earning 300-700k per month. Network engineers earn much more. But I doubt they are ready to start a business and nurture it.

Businesses need much more than talent.


What is this software they have developed? Some examples please.


Very possible. I have hired developer in India in the past, I paid them $3500 for work that I knew took them less than 50hrs. You just need about 1 of such project in a month to make Ksh.300k.



That income does not qualify to be called a salary.


That is the way Consultants survive smile


Consultants earn fees NOT salaries...
Rollout
#34 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2019 4:49:12 PM
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Joined: 4/26/2011
Posts: 759
Queen wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Queen wrote:
Rollout wrote:
hardwood wrote:
radio wrote:
2012 wrote:
2Czar wrote:
Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ?


I was wondering the same!
If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit.


I know many software devs in Nairobi earning 300-700k per month. Network engineers earn much more. But I doubt they are ready to start a business and nurture it.

Businesses need much more than talent.


What is this software they have developed? Some examples please.


Very possible. I have hired developer in India in the past, I paid them $3500 for work that I knew took them less than 50hrs. You just need about 1 of such project in a month to make Ksh.300k.



That income does not qualify to be called a salary.


That is the way Consultants survive smile


Consultants earn fees NOT salaries...


You people are being too technical, if one can maintain a cash flow that mimic salary, then its ok to treat it as salary/income in this discussion
Angelica _ann
#35 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2019 4:59:06 PM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 12/7/2012
Posts: 11,935
Rollout wrote:
Queen wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Queen wrote:
Rollout wrote:
hardwood wrote:
radio wrote:
2012 wrote:
2Czar wrote:
Wow, you people call such high salaries that I can't even imagine the whole case anyway. How do you go with it ? 100k net is already not that low and 300k net ? Which job do you have ? Software engineer in Microsoft or something like that ?


I was wondering the same!
If someone is paying you 300k and you are not a Director, get out and start your business. You are being exploited for your talents that is if you are in that position on merit.


I know many software devs in Nairobi earning 300-700k per month. Network engineers earn much more. But I doubt they are ready to start a business and nurture it.

Businesses need much more than talent.


What is this software they have developed? Some examples please.


Very possible. I have hired developer in India in the past, I paid them $3500 for work that I knew took them less than 50hrs. You just need about 1 of such project in a month to make Ksh.300k.



That income does not qualify to be called a salary.


That is the way Consultants survive smile


Consultants earn fees NOT salaries...


You people are being too technical, if one can maintain a cash flow that mimic salary, then its ok to treat it as salary/income in this discussion


At end of the day what pay do you take home yawa - annually over time!!!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
Rollout
#36 Posted : Monday, June 03, 2019 6:39:56 PM
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Posts: 759
Next question people here should be discussing is why did I go with Indian developers and not Kenyans?
radio
#37 Posted : Tuesday, June 04, 2019 2:17:31 PM
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Joined: 11/9/2009
Posts: 2,003
Rollout wrote:
Next question people here should be discussing is why did I go with Indian developers and not Kenyans?


You shouldn't. In future, go local, get in touch with me.
tycho
#38 Posted : Tuesday, June 04, 2019 3:03:32 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
Rollout wrote:
Next question people here should be discussing is why did I go with Indian developers and not Kenyans?


Yes please. Do share your reason(s).
Rollout
#39 Posted : Tuesday, June 04, 2019 4:15:15 PM
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Joined: 4/26/2011
Posts: 759
tycho wrote:
Rollout wrote:
Next question people here should be discussing is why did I go with Indian developers and not Kenyans?


Yes please. Do share your reason(s).


Kenyans are very difficult to deal with if you are not used to the style of doing business. Kenyans do not have a standard prices for a service. For instance, when you ask a Kenyan to price his/her services you either get the following answers.

1. How much do you want to pay for it?

2. What is your Budget?

3. Or they give you a ridiculously high price depending on whether they think you are local or foreign based

If you are legitimate business person, you expect a fair price based on the estimated market price for the services; For someone who is not used to how business is done in Kenya asking questions 1 and 2 can be a deal breaker because the answer to question 1 and 2 should not matter or should not determined the price of a service. For question 3, people usually have an idea of estimated price.

Indians will give you a standard price that is consistent to how services are price in India the price variation is small. In Kenya the price variation can be a much as 10X between one provider of service to the other. A lot of time providers of services initial prices is such that there is room for negotiation but if you don't know how business in Kenya is done the initial high prices is a turn off.

Take for instance if you want to change a car tire, a Kenyan might price the cost of the service at ksh 5000, hoping the final price will be ksh 1000. If you are not used to doing business with Kenyans and you hear 5000 and you know the fair price for the services is between 1000 and 1500, you are not even going to try to negotiate.

Give clients fair price and you won't need to negotiate too much. Clients will also feel comfortable that you know what you are doing and that you are a legitimate business person.
tycho
#40 Posted : Tuesday, June 04, 2019 5:01:26 PM
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Joined: 7/1/2011
Posts: 8,804
Location: Nairobi
I really appreciate your assessment @rollout. I think that's one major issue I have with myself. I may have have great products, but just ask me about the price!

How I can ever get to calculate a fair and standard price is a puzzle as yet. But I need to roll my sleeves and bring my incompetence to an end.
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