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alma1 wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:next we will be discussing how octopizo is iluminati , and that his songs are written and thought out by jayz.
muzungu akisema alifanya, no questions asked, some of those political meetings are on social media, listen to them and tell if its some muzungu in randan who wrote those speeches if you can find any politician reading from a speech in those meetings. The biggest heart break for a human being is discovering that they were lied to by someone they loved. Anyway. As you were busy thinking you were politiking, CA was busy working on you. I remember 2 of the links as hardwood mentioned them..lol Follow the full thread to get an idea. You overestimate the people with access to the whatsups and twitters and facebooks, leave alone those social media tools majority of kenyans don't even have access to electricity. I mean even the biashara people know, put an ad on twiter or whatsup and put another ad on radio and see which one will gain more traction. lakini sawa just because a muzungu on youtube say so then sawa, let us believe the brilliant muzungu in one of those meetings came up with 'kumira kumira' and gave it to the thoughtless black man in kenya to run with the same in gatundu.
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To believe that the so called Cambridge analytica had any significant influence in the way Kenyans voted in 2017 is to be gullible. Propaganda happened (both ways - for/against and by both main groups) during the electioneering period and has always happened during such times analytica or no analytica. In the end Kenyans voted largely in the same patterns and along the same lines we all expected them to. Isuni yilu yi maa me muyo - ni Mbisuu
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KulaRaha wrote:Swenani wrote:I think anamaanisha Hardwood just like a rungu doesn't have independent brain and any thought process. he does what theforce(read employer) directs him to do without questioning.....That's my layman's understanding Spot on. However, Hardwood doesn't exist...the handle is probably managed by multiple individuals. 
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I see ostriches... Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/28/2015 Posts: 9,562 Location: Rodi Kopany, Homa Bay
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alma1 wrote:KulaRaha wrote:Wakanyugi wrote:
This is not how I have understood CA's role. I saw it more as a data mining company, which I think was how Tycho introduced this thread. Again I could be wrong.
While a political campaign certainly could use data mining to craft messages, it needs behaviour/preference/intention data, the kind that your facebook profile can easily show. My point is, a low tech society like ours has slim pickings in terms of useful data to be mined and don't tell me about Mpesa.
It benefits CA's image to push this myth of all seeing greatness and the fear that goes with it. But let me ask you: if they were so good, won't we have seen attempts by Facebook or Google to buy them out? After all these are the two corporates whose future is most strongly tied to the capacity influence thinking and behavior.
Actually very wrong. And Turnbull, in the secret recording by Channel 4, reveals the much they delivered for the UhuRuto and Jubilee Party campaigns:
“The Kenyatta campaign which we ran in 2013 and 2017,” he starts off.
“And what have you done in Kenya?” poses Channel 4 journalist.
“We have rebranded the entire party twice, written their manifesto, done two rounds of 50,000 or so surveys… Then we’d write all the speeches, and we’d stage the whole thing. So just about every element of his campaign.”https://youtu.be/mpbeOCKZFfQ look at the recipients of the national medals and get an understanding of what was going on. Jubilee was created somewhere in the USA. I mean, even speeches? But I doubt if "mnataka nifanye nini" is one of the speeches. Maybe Tycho can write for us a thesis on how to hoodwink Kenyans to think they are thinking independently. Yet, they are being told what to think, who to hate and which lies to accept. That channel 4 crap is fake news. Videoshop.
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hardwood wrote:alma1 wrote:KulaRaha wrote:[quote=Wakanyugi]
This is not how I have understood CA's role. I saw it more as a data mining company, which I think was how Tycho introduced this thread. Again I could be wrong.
While a political campaign certainly could use data mining to craft messages, it needs behaviour/preference/intention data, the kind that your facebook profile can easily show. My point is, a low tech society like ours has slim pickings in terms of useful data to be mined and don't tell me about Mpesa.
It benefits CA's image to push this myth of all seeing greatness and the fear that goes with it. But let me ask you: if they were so good, won't we have seen attempts by Facebook or Google to buy them out? After all these are the two corporates whose future is most strongly tied to the capacity influence thinking and behavior.
Actually very wrong. And Turnbull, in the secret recording by Channel 4, reveals the much they delivered for the UhuRuto and Jubilee Party campaigns:
“The Kenyatta campaign which we ran in 2013 and 2017,” he starts off.
“And what have you done in Kenya?” poses Channel 4 journalist.
“We have rebranded the entire party twice, written their manifesto, done two rounds of 50,000 or so surveys… Then we’d write all the speeches, and we’d stage the whole thing. So just about every element of his campaign.”https://youtu.be/mpbeOCKZFfQ[/quote] look at the recipients of the national medals and get an understanding of what was going on. Jubilee was created somewhere in the USA. I mean, even speeches? But I doubt if "mnataka nifanye nini" is one of the speeches. Maybe Tycho can write for us a thesis on how to hoodwink Kenyans to think they are thinking independently. Yet, they are being told what to think, who to hate and which lies to accept. That channel 4 crap is fake news. Videoshop. Tell us about the Ukranian Women. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Ngalaka wrote:To believe that the so called Cambridge analytica had any significant influence in the way Kenyans voted in 2017 is to be gullible.
Propaganda happened (both ways - for/against and by both main groups) during the electioneering period and has always happened during such times analytica or no analytica.
In the end Kenyans voted largely in the same patterns and along the same lines we all expected them to.
This is also what I can not get my head around, the president has a better view of the county through intelligence briefings than what can be collected online from social media, those briefings are a big advantage an incumbent has especially in ke. I am yet to be convinced that, at the state we are at anyone can get a feel or influence the country, politically through social media.
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Ngalaka wrote:To believe that the so called Cambridge analytica had any significant influence in the way Kenyans voted in 2017 is to be gullible.
Propaganda happened (both ways - for/against and by both main groups) during the electioneering period and has always happened during such times analytica or no analytica.
In the end Kenyans voted largely in the same patterns and along the same lines we all expected them to.
This is also what I can not get my head around, the president has a better view of the county through intelligence briefings than what can be collected online from social media, those briefings are a big advantage an incumbent has especially in ke. I am yet to be convinced that, at the state we are at anyone can get a feel or influence the country, politically through social media. You can continue not believing till hell freezes over. Meanwhile, in the rest of the world, this company is being tamed. South Africa got rid of them. The UK is opening their servers. Facebook is loosing billions of dollars in value in days. Only an ostrich could not see the pattern of media information and social media harlots receiving the same info and spreading the same info. The biggest culprits were Nation Newspapers. They might as well have been a PR firm. By the way, where was Alex Chamwada working. He can explain things better I think. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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People are under estimating the role of CA because they have no idea to what extent all the information they think they know is manipulated.CA set the agenda that was fully implemented by the garment machinery.Most of the senior changes in garment was to reward those that facilitated the work of CA. These people are currently running the garment and are in strategic positions. You need to ask yourselves what happened to 'swing counties'. The power of CA together with NCIS did some brilliant work on voter segregation,fake news and voter manipulation.Most of the messages you heard on whatapp,kameme leaflets were planted to create fear and play with your emotions.Most of the middle class are naïve to think that they set the agenda and that their ideas are original BUT all these are planted.!! Consistency is better than intensity
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alma1 wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote:Ngalaka wrote:To believe that the so called Cambridge analytica had any significant influence in the way Kenyans voted in 2017 is to be gullible.
Propaganda happened (both ways - for/against and by both main groups) during the electioneering period and has always happened during such times analytica or no analytica.
In the end Kenyans voted largely in the same patterns and along the same lines we all expected them to.
This is also what I can not get my head around, the president has a better view of the county through intelligence briefings than what can be collected online from social media, those briefings are a big advantage an incumbent has especially in ke. I am yet to be convinced that, at the state we are at anyone can get a feel or influence the country, politically through social media. You can continue not believing till hell freezes over. Meanwhile, in the rest of the world, this company is being tamed. South Africa got rid of them. The UK is opening their servers. Facebook is loosing billions of dollars in value in days. Only an ostrich could not see the pattern of media information and social media harlots receiving the same info and spreading the same info. The biggest culprits were Nation Newspapers. They might as well have been a PR firm. By the way, where was Alex Chamwada working. He can explain things better I think. Kabisa.I am sure you have seen the harassment that has been melted on the 'whistle blower' Chris for exposing them.Facebook willingly gave out data for over 50m users and then claim that there was no data breach.If they have the capacity to analyse data of over 50m users what about less than 20m voters? Consistency is better than intensity
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