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MugundaMan
#31 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 8:11:20 AM
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sparkly wrote:

My fren EEA did an IPO 12 years ago at KES 9.50 but trades at KES 1.80 today. Do the month and tell us what the real return is.


This is a very strange method of investment analysis. What has EEA's IPO price have to do with my cost basis?Laughing out loudly
MugundaMan
#32 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 8:15:21 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Why fight Energizer Int'l in court instead of the marketplace when EEA has such a quality product that I am sure [insert laugh track and Snoop Dogg's grin] is better than anything Energizer Int'l have!


VVS,
You clearly have not read even one comma about what the cases in court are all about. I suggest you read them and be properly informed so that we can debate this issue competently. This is one thing I find very funny about 99% of NSE investors in Kenya. Nobody really does their research on their stock beyond a very superficial look through. They buy because their neighbour told them to buy and sell because someone at the bar they met yesterday told them to sell. Or God forbid some faceless person on Wazoo recommended so. Fundamental analysis is also anathema for most. Hence the inclination to baptise booming profits "losses" and give namby-pamby responses to very serious matters pending in court. Hopefully this culture will improve with time. Angel
sparkly
#33 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 9:06:26 AM
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Joined: 9/23/2009
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Location: Enk are Nyirobi
MugundaMan wrote:
sparkly wrote:

My fren EEA did an IPO 12 years ago at KES 9.50 but trades at KES 1.80 today. Do the month and tell us what the real return is.


This is a very strange method of investment analysis. What has EEA's IPO price have to do with my cost basis?Laughing out loudly


Look at the bigger picture:

1. Over 80% in Capital losses since the company listed in 2006. Dividends in 12 years less than KES 2 per share;

2. Losses from core business, stripping assets to pay operating costs and debt;

3. I agree on importance of your entry and high DY for 2017 but the yield is from one off asset sale which is not sustainable going into the future.

4. EEA has done poorly over the years and its fortunes are not going to change anytime soon. It is a funda. Even if you give it redbull, it cannot fly like @Obiero's Cessna.
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MugundaMan
#34 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 9:54:20 AM
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Posts: 2,212
Location: DC (Dustbowl County)
sparkly wrote:


Look at the bigger picture:

1. Over 80% in Capital losses since the company listed in 2006. Dividends in 12 years less than KES 2 per share;

2. Losses from core business, stripping assets to pay operating costs and debt;

3. I agree on importance of your entry and high DY for 2017 but the yield is from one off asset sale which is not sustainable going into the future.

4. EEA has done poorly over the years and its fortunes are not going to change anytime soon. It is a funda. Even if you give it redbull, it cannot fly like @Obiero's Cessna.


Please do not talk to me about the past. Nor try to predict the future based on the past as if the past stock price has any relation whatsoever with future stock price (unless you have cast your lot with the Elliot Wavers!). Again I ask, which mganga did you consult to predict future stock price with such rock solid accuracy smile.

RELAX and let the cold hard numbers speak for themselves over the next ten years. In case none of you has noticed, EEA's business model has radically changed, its debt has been wiped out, and its products are doing very well given they are less than a few years old! Reading tea leaves about the future and casting bitter glances to a 'scary' past as an investment strategy is not my thing. Let us just wait for the cold hard numbers over the next decade, papa.

As for my cost basis, I am still rejoicing over one of the highest dividend yields in Kenya's history that we shareholders munched. I quickly bought a mugunda with it which I am enjoying developing as we speak. So much for a funda long buried on wazoo, dead on its knees without cessna wings!
VituVingiSana
#35 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 10:07:57 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,346
Location: Nairobi
sparkly wrote:
MugundaMan wrote:
sparkly wrote:

My fren EEA did an IPO 12 years ago at KES 9.50 but trades at KES 1.80 today. Do the month and tell us what the real return is.


This is a very strange method of investment analysis. What has EEA's IPO price have to do with my cost basis?Laughing out loudly


Look at the bigger picture:

1. Over 80% in Capital losses since the company listed in 2006. Dividends in 12 years less than KES 2 per share;

2. Losses from core business, stripping assets to pay operating costs and debt;

3. I agree on importance of your entry and high DY for 2017 but the yield is from one off asset sale which is not sustainable going into the future.

4. EEA has done poorly over the years and its fortunes are not going to change anytime soon. It is a funda. Even if you give it redbull, it cannot fly like @Obiero's Cessna.

But Redbull gives you wiiiings! Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
VituVingiSana
#36 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 10:12:18 AM
Rank: Chief

Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,346
Location: Nairobi
MugundaMan wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
Why fight Energizer Int'l in court instead of the marketplace when EEA has such a quality product that I am sure [insert laugh track and Snoop Dogg's grin] is better than anything Energizer Int'l have!


VVS,
You clearly have not read even one comma about what the cases in court are all about. I suggest you read them and be properly informed so that we can debate this issue competently. This is one thing I find very funny about 99% of NSE investors in Kenya. Nobody really does their research on their stock beyond a very superficial look through. They buy because their neighbour told them to buy and sell because someone at the bar they met yesterday told them to sell. Or God forbid some faceless person on Wazoo recommended so. Fundamental analysis is also anathema for most. Hence the inclination to baptise booming profits "losses" and give namby-pamby responses to very serious matters pending in court. Hopefully this culture will improve with time. Angel

I admit I have not read on EEA. I wrote it off as investable many years ago as I avoid Merali firms. No Sasini, Eveready or Sameer. I am not a trader and I like to sleep at night.
Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Chaka
#37 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 10:29:54 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 2/16/2007
Posts: 2,114
Believe you meant "uninvestable"?

VituVingiSana wrote:

I admit I have not read on EEA. I wrote it off as investable many years ago as I avoid Merali firms. No Sasini, Eveready or Sameer. I am not a trader and I like to sleep at night.

sparkly
#38 Posted : Monday, May 28, 2018 11:30:04 AM
Rank: Elder

Joined: 9/23/2009
Posts: 8,083
Location: Enk are Nyirobi
MugundaMan wrote:
sparkly wrote:


Look at the bigger picture:

1. Over 80% in Capital losses since the company listed in 2006. Dividends in 12 years less than KES 2 per share;

2. Losses from core business, stripping assets to pay operating costs and debt;

3. I agree on importance of your entry and high DY for 2017 but the yield is from one off asset sale which is not sustainable going into the future.

4. EEA has done poorly over the years and its fortunes are not going to change anytime soon. It is a funda. Even if you give it redbull, it cannot fly like @Obiero's Cessna.


Please do not talk to me about the past. Nor try to predict the future based on the past as if the past stock price has any relation whatsoever with future stock price (unless you have cast your lot with the Elliot Wavers!). Again I ask, which mganga did you consult to predict future stock price with such rock solid accuracy smile.

RELAX and let the cold hard numbers speak for themselves over the next ten years. In case none of you has noticed, EEA's business model has radically changed, its debt has been wiped out, and its products are doing very well given they are less than a few years old! Reading tea leaves about the future and casting bitter glances to a 'scary' past as an investment strategy is not my thing. Let us just wait for the cold hard numbers over the next decade, papa.

As for my cost basis, I am still rejoicing over one of the highest dividend yields in Kenya's history that we shareholders munched. I quickly bought a mugunda with it which I am enjoying developing as we speak. So much for a funda long buried on wazoo, dead on its knees without cessna wings!


Congrats on the Dividend, munch it with all your 32 incisors, canines, premolars and molars Laughing out loudly Laughing out loudly


Life is short. Live passionately.
VituVingiSana
#39 Posted : Tuesday, May 29, 2018 1:13:04 AM
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Joined: 1/3/2007
Posts: 18,346
Location: Nairobi
Chaka wrote:
Believe you meant "uninvestable"?

VituVingiSana wrote:

I admit I have not read on EEA. I wrote it off as investable many years ago as I avoid Merali firms. No Sasini, Eveready or Sameer. I am not a trader and I like to sleep at night.


Greedy when others are fearful. Very fearful when others are greedy - to paraphrase Warren Buffett
Ericsson
#40 Posted : Thursday, May 31, 2018 3:39:36 PM
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Joined: 12/4/2009
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https://www.businessdail...8622-7c1bt4z/index.html

Battery distributor Eveready East Africa returned to losses in the half year ended March on the absence of gains from a property disposal seen in the previous period.

The Nairobi Securities Exchange-listed firm made a net loss of Sh64.5 million in the review period, reversing net earnings of Sh364.9 million a year earlier when it benefitted from a Sh397.3 million gain from sale of its land in Nakuru.


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