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Supreme Court nullifies presidential election
Much Know
#61 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 3:29:43 PM
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ngapat wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Enuma Elish wrote:
Chebukati throws IEBC Secretariat under the bus. Says everyone to carry their own cross.


That secretariat is overdue for change....I recall they are the same bunch from 2013.

Training new secretariats to run fresh elections within 60 days? Expect bigger errors this time round.

Within 40 days not 60 days as per the katiba!
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gregory
#62 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 3:44:15 PM
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Uram wrote:
mobutu123 wrote:
Angelica _ann wrote:
Uram wrote:
Intelligentsia wrote:
Economic cost of Kenya elections 2017:

1) So when a new IEBC team is on-boarded, it will mean tax-payers will be
paying 3 different sets of IEBC teams concurrently?
2) Wasted year - subdued business entire year
3) ....



We have sunk more in NYS scandal,unaccounted Eurobond money and inflated SGR cash.


Including those fake clinics - imported by you know who - rotting at the coast!!!!

Jubilee hawana numbers.hizo wanasema hapa ni zile computer generated.Their actual number is no more than 6M.


Boss,be objective.They have the numbers. NASA needs to work harder to beat these guys. IEBC bungled the election.

If they had the numbers, there was no need for iebc to bungle the elections
Mukiri
#63 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 3:52:28 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
This is bad and I have a feeling we all do not know just how bad yet. 60 more days of a very negative campaign period cannot possibly make anything better.

God forbid that there might be more loss of life, moreso if the forces also align themselves tribally

Proverbs 19:21
Enuma Elish
#64 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 4:00:26 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
Who would want to work in this IEBC now? What would happen if there are mass resignations amongst IEBC staff?


The better. There are many Kenyans of Integrity out there.
ngapat
#65 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 4:06:36 PM
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Enuma Elish wrote:
Kusadikika wrote:
Who would want to work in this IEBC now? What would happen if there are mass resignations amongst IEBC staff?


The better. There are many Kenyans of Integrity out there.

This is what nasa wants. they would populate the IEBC with NASA partisan employees to bungle the elections in NASA favour
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Uram
#66 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 4:07:42 PM
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Uram wrote:
Jump-steady wrote:
masukuma wrote:
"It has never happened before" is a statement that is made just before "it happens"


What is this Re-run @Masukuma our knowledgeable sage of wazuasmile

Is the tally a simple majority ama ni nini?


(3) If the Supreme Court determines the election of the Presidentelect
to be invalid, a fresh election shall be held within sixty days after the determination.

Ata wewe ukitaka kuwa President, prepare your nomination papers.


Kumbe from the 2013 Supreme Court petition, it was ruled only those who had vied in the first election would participate in a re-vote. If anyone doesn't want to participate in the re-vote, then he/she should notify the IEBC.

Elsewhere, why can't the admin consolidate these threads!!!!
ngapat
#67 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 4:13:53 PM
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maraga and co have no idea the ripple effect to the economy their decision has. The stock market is on a free fall for example
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Angelica _ann
#68 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 4:14:52 PM
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Much Know wrote:
ngapat wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Enuma Elish wrote:
Chebukati throws IEBC Secretariat under the bus. Says everyone to carry their own cross.


That secretariat is overdue for change....I recall they are the same bunch from 2013.

Training new secretariats to run fresh elections within 60 days? Expect bigger errors this time round.

Within 40 days not 60 days as per the katiba!


Maraga & co were very clear 60 days from judgement day ... today. Hizo zingine ni panganga ... Supreme court rules!!!
In the business world, everyone is paid in two coins - cash and experience. Take the experience first; the cash will come later - H Geneen
gk
#69 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 4:16:33 PM
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We have lost this country to a select part of the political class.
What's this thing they call democracy when a court can overturn the choice of a people at the ballot for reasons beyond their doing? Who argued the case on behalf of the voter? Why should he pay for another election and spend another day to pick his leaders whilst no guarantee exists that the will of the majority will prevail? Is a game more important than the player?
But then, what choice does he have? Jump into the fire or remain in the frying pan? Not to worry though because history is replete with nations which had lower moments but emerged from the same to realise sustainable cohesion and growth.
Well, if this is the price for a better future for us all, its just as well.
Obi 1 Kanobi
#70 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 4:18:17 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
Much Know wrote:
ngapat wrote:
KulaRaha wrote:
Enuma Elish wrote:
Chebukati throws IEBC Secretariat under the bus. Says everyone to carry their own cross.


That secretariat is overdue for change....I recall they are the same bunch from 2013.

Training new secretariats to run fresh elections within 60 days? Expect bigger errors this time round.

Within 40 days not 60 days as per the katiba!


Maraga & co were very clear 60 days from judgement day ... today. Hizo zingine ni panganga ... Supreme court rules!!!


Mjuaji is reading section 138 of the constitution which is irrelevant in this instance
"The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
ngapat
#71 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 4:27:30 PM
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Who remembers this post 2 months ago?
It was bound to happen. This could go on until 2018!

The looming constitutional crisis

Prof. MUTAHI NGUNYI

This election is a slippery one because of a playful and incompetently drafted constitution. For instance, the date of the election is cast in stone. If the ballot papers are not ready by August 8, the election cannot be held on any other date.

And this is probably what Nasa leader Raila Odinga wants. If the courts cancel the tender for the printing of ballot papers, there will be no election. A hard constitutional fact! The only way out is a caretaker government.

If Raila uses the courts to sabotage the printing of ballots, therefore, it is because he wants a caretaker government. Period! But this is not the only worrying scenario in this election.

In case of death of a presidential candidate or his running mate between now and August 8, the election stands cancelled and a fresh one called in two months.

For instance, if a presidential candidate commits suicide on August 7, the election will be cancelled and a fresh one called for October 7. And since we have one suicidal presidential candidate, this scenario is probable.

My worry, though, is not the presidential candidates. It is the running mates. And I am not talking about William Ruto or Kalonzo Musyoka. These are safe! My worry is the others whose names we cannot remember.

If any of them dies on August 7, the election is cancelled. Another hard constitutional fact! For instance, if Dida’s runningmate in 2013 was beaten by a dog outside his Kibera shack and died, the election would have been cancelled.

It is that simple. This is why the government should give tight security to the independent presidential candidates and runningmates. As for my political science student at University of Nairobi in the 1990s, Solomon Gichira, we must stop him from attempting suicide again.

After the courts allowed him to run for president, he is now a national security threat. In fact, Interior Cabinet secretary Joseph Nkaissery should secure him with a battalion of military men, not policemen! And on this point, I am not being funny.

Now I will ask the country a few questions. After you vote on August 8, when do you expect to go back to work? On August 9 or there about? Zero! This election has potential to spill over to mid-2018.

And this is a hard constitutional fact. In fact, after August 8, we have no idea what the country will look like. Consider the following: One, on August 8, Uhuru Kenyatta becomes the temporary president.

This is a new concept in the Constitution. A temporary president is half a president. He cannot fire anyone, even if they sabotage his government from within. But fundamentally, he cannot deploy the military to quell the kind of violence we had in 2007.

This can only be done with the approval of Parliament, which will have been dissolved on August 8. If we have violence on August 10, for instance, the military cannot intervene.

Why this is worrying is because in 2007, the violence stopped when the military swung into action. We do not have this luxury. And the question is: Who benefits from such paralysis? The answer is obvious: Raila. He will use this paralysis to force a coalition government if he loses. More so, if there is violence like in 2007!

And the second reason why we are headed for a prolonged and tense post-election period is that every stage of this election will be contested in courts of law.

The first round will be contested, and if we have a run-off, its results will also be challenged in court. And these contests do not have to be done by the candidates. I am sure activists will file multiple petitions, even for nuisance value. If this is true, then, the earliest we can swear in the new president will be Tuesday September 12.

And this is the best case scenario in which one of the candidates gets 50 per cent plus one and the Supreme Court rules that the election was valid. This is the scenario that obtained in 2013.

In my view, Raila will do everything possible to ensure this does not happen. In fact, he has worked for the last four years to ensure this does not happen.

If he will not get a caretaker government or a forced coalition becomes impossible, a run-off is his best bet. But what does a run-off look like? If we have a run-off, the earliest the new president will be sworn in is November 14.

For 100 days, we will be in a state of political suspense with Uhuru as temporary president, with no powers. In the meantime, the economy will begin to react to the suspense and political tension. And even then, tension for 100 days is not a disaster. This is actually a Christmas picnic. More so because we could face worse circumstances than this.

Let me explain. Should we have a run-off, it will happen on October 5. And this is because a petition contesting the first round of election will delay the run-off. The results of the run-off will be announced on October 12.

And this will definitely attract a petition by October 19. If this happens, the Supreme Court will make its ruling on November 2. The ruling will have two possibilities. One, that the run-off was valid; or it was invalid.

If declared invalid, then a fresh election will be held 60 days after November 2. And this takes us to January 2. In sum, January 2 will become the new August 8. All the dramas we have experienced in this election will start afresh on January 2.

What is more, they could run all the way to June next year. And this is a hard constitutional fact! What is my point here? There is a concept in law known as cui bono which states that “If you get to a crime scene, you must start by asking ‘…who benefits from this crime?’”. Once you identify the primary beneficiary, you will identify the killer.

And we must use this principle to analyse our constitutional confusion. We must ask the question: Who benefits from it? Once we identify the beneficiary, we will identify the engineer of the coming confusion.

And the beneficiary is Raila! Put differently, the options for Raila are two. One, to force a caretaker or coalition governments. But this will require violence, which Raila would want to avoid.

The second option is to force a constitutional coup. In this option, he will force a protracted petition in which the Supreme Court has no choice but to nullify either the first round of election or a run-off! To achieve this result from the Supreme Court, what Raila needs to do is to mis-engineer the election in selected areas.

This way, he will collect compelling evidence that will force the Supreme Court to nullify the first round of the election or the run-off. And with this, the 100 days of election suspense will turn to six months.

The six months will turn to one year. The economy will respond. And without violence, a coalition government will happen to stop this constitutional madness! In my view, this is a typical Raila plan. But I could also be wrong!
“Invest in yourself. Your career is the engine of your wealth.”
kangi
#72 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 4:29:14 PM
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gk wrote:
We have lost this country to a select part of the political class.
What's this thing they call democracy when a court can overturn the choice of a people at the ballot for reasons beyond their doing? Who argued the case on behalf of the voter? Why should he pay for another election and spend another day to pick his leaders whilst no guarantee exists that the will of the majority will prevail? Is a game more important than the player?
But then, what choice does he have? Jump into the fire or remain in the frying pan? Not to worry though because history is replete with nations which had lower moments but emerged from the same to realise sustainable cohesion and growth.
Well, if this is the price for a better future for us all, its just as well.

Applause Applause Applause well said. We prayed for peace at all costs.
Accept no one's definition of your life; define your life.
ngapat
#73 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 4:53:37 PM
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DISSENTING OPINION OF JB OJWANG




FINAL DETERMINATION
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Much Know
#74 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 4:59:15 PM
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Ojwang risks being stoned for honesty and will have a nightmare integrating with rural folks.
A New Kenya
kangi
#75 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 5:09:07 PM
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Much Know wrote:

Ojwang risks being stoned for honesty and will have a nightmare integrating with rural folks.


Does Lawyer Paul Mwangi and PLO face the same fate? I find it rather difficult to reconcile why going against the expectations of the community is taken with such venom. But I believe that one day the national cohesion debate will generate the same kind of passion as the secession one did. Lakini naona ni miaka kadhaa kabla ifike hapo.
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Shak
#76 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 5:26:53 PM
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ngapat wrote:
Who remembers this post 2 months ago?
It was bound to happen. This could go on until 2018!

The looming constitutional crisis

Prof. MUTAHI NGUNYI

This election is a slippery one because of a playful and incompetently drafted constitution. For instance, the date of the election is cast in stone. If the ballot papers are not ready by August 8, the election cannot be held on any other date.

And this is probably what Nasa leader Raila Odinga wants. If the courts cancel the tender for the printing of ballot papers, there will be no election. A hard constitutional fact! The only way out is a caretaker government.

If Raila uses the courts to sabotage the printing of ballots, therefore, it is because he wants a caretaker government. Period! But this is not the only worrying scenario in this election.

In case of death of a presidential candidate or his running mate between now and August 8, the election stands cancelled and a fresh one called in two months.

For instance, if a presidential candidate commits suicide on August 7, the election will be cancelled and a fresh one called for October 7. And since we have one suicidal presidential candidate, this scenario is probable.

My worry, though, is not the presidential candidates. It is the running mates. And I am not talking about William Ruto or Kalonzo Musyoka. These are safe! My worry is the others whose names we cannot remember.

If any of them dies on August 7, the election is cancelled. Another hard constitutional fact! For instance, if Dida’s runningmate in 2013 was beaten by a dog outside his Kibera shack and died, the election would have been cancelled.

It is that simple. This is why the government should give tight security to the independent presidential candidates and runningmates. As for my political science student at University of Nairobi in the 1990s, Solomon Gichira, we must stop him from attempting suicide again.

After the courts allowed him to run for president, he is now a national security threat. In fact, Interior Cabinet secretary Joseph Nkaissery should secure him with a battalion of military men, not policemen! And on this point, I am not being funny.

Now I will ask the country a few questions. After you vote on August 8, when do you expect to go back to work? On August 9 or there about? Zero! This election has potential to spill over to mid-2018.

And this is a hard constitutional fact. In fact, after August 8, we have no idea what the country will look like. Consider the following: One, on August 8, Uhuru Kenyatta becomes the temporary president.

This is a new concept in the Constitution. A temporary president is half a president. He cannot fire anyone, even if they sabotage his government from within. But fundamentally, he cannot deploy the military to quell the kind of violence we had in 2007.

This can only be done with the approval of Parliament, which will have been dissolved on August 8. If we have violence on August 10, for instance, the military cannot intervene.

Why this is worrying is because in 2007, the violence stopped when the military swung into action. We do not have this luxury. And the question is: Who benefits from such paralysis? The answer is obvious: Raila. He will use this paralysis to force a coalition government if he loses. More so, if there is violence like in 2007!

And the second reason why we are headed for a prolonged and tense post-election period is that every stage of this election will be contested in courts of law.

The first round will be contested, and if we have a run-off, its results will also be challenged in court. And these contests do not have to be done by the candidates. I am sure activists will file multiple petitions, even for nuisance value. If this is true, then, the earliest we can swear in the new president will be Tuesday September 12.

And this is the best case scenario in which one of the candidates gets 50 per cent plus one and the Supreme Court rules that the election was valid. This is the scenario that obtained in 2013.

In my view, Raila will do everything possible to ensure this does not happen. In fact, he has worked for the last four years to ensure this does not happen.

If he will not get a caretaker government or a forced coalition becomes impossible, a run-off is his best bet. But what does a run-off look like? If we have a run-off, the earliest the new president will be sworn in is November 14.

For 100 days, we will be in a state of political suspense with Uhuru as temporary president, with no powers. In the meantime, the economy will begin to react to the suspense and political tension. And even then, tension for 100 days is not a disaster. This is actually a Christmas picnic. More so because we could face worse circumstances than this.

Let me explain. Should we have a run-off, it will happen on October 5. And this is because a petition contesting the first round of election will delay the run-off. The results of the run-off will be announced on October 12.

And this will definitely attract a petition by October 19. If this happens, the Supreme Court will make its ruling on November 2. The ruling will have two possibilities. One, that the run-off was valid; or it was invalid.

If declared invalid, then a fresh election will be held 60 days after November 2. And this takes us to January 2. In sum, January 2 will become the new August 8. All the dramas we have experienced in this election will start afresh on January 2.

What is more, they could run all the way to June next year. And this is a hard constitutional fact! What is my point here? There is a concept in law known as cui bono which states that “If you get to a crime scene, you must start by asking ‘…who benefits from this crime?’”. Once you identify the primary beneficiary, you will identify the killer.

And we must use this principle to analyse our constitutional confusion. We must ask the question: Who benefits from it? Once we identify the beneficiary, we will identify the engineer of the coming confusion.

And the beneficiary is Raila! Put differently, the options for Raila are two. One, to force a caretaker or coalition governments. But this will require violence, which Raila would want to avoid.

The second option is to force a constitutional coup. In this option, he will force a protracted petition in which the Supreme Court has no choice but to nullify either the first round of election or a run-off! To achieve this result from the Supreme Court, what Raila needs to do is to mis-engineer the election in selected areas.

This way, he will collect compelling evidence that will force the Supreme Court to nullify the first round of the election or the run-off. And with this, the 100 days of election suspense will turn to six months.

The six months will turn to one year. The economy will respond. And without violence, a coalition government will happen to stop this constitutional madness! In my view, this is a typical Raila plan. But I could also be wrong!

MN is always on point!
Kusadikika
#77 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 5:57:12 PM
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The presidential election held on 8th August 2017 was not conducted in accordance with the Constitution and the applicable law rendering the declared result invalid, null and void.

This is how 4 judges determined. They painted this with the broadest brush possible. 4 judges are telling all of Kenya; you did not do this properly, go do it again.

15 million Kenyans went to vote on the 8th of August and no one complained until the results were announced.
Why not a recount?
What were the laws broken on election day by the 15 million voters?

I would bet that even the NASA supporters were hoping that the court could declare that Raila had won, they were not supporting a petition to ask them to vote again.



ngapat
#78 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 6:14:29 PM
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Dissenting judge Ojwang just told us that the majority decision was based mostly on 'uncertainties' and that they ignored 'substantial evidence' that contradicted their opinion. That right there is explosive indictment of the 4 judges
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limanika
#79 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 6:19:34 PM
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ngapat wrote:
Dissenting judge Ojwang just told us that the majority decision was based mostly on 'uncertainties' and that they ignored 'substantial evidence' that contradicted their opinion. That right there is explosive indictment of the 4 judges

If outcome of the fresh election turns out with almost similar percentages, he will be vindicated... The other four, will not
Angelica _ann
#80 Posted : Friday, September 01, 2017 6:23:21 PM
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Kusadikika wrote:
The presidential election held on 8th August 2017 was not conducted in accordance with the Constitution and the applicable law rendering the declared result invalid, null and void.

This is how 4 judges determined. They painted this with the broadest brush possible. 4 judges are telling all of Kenya; you did not do this properly, go do it again.

15 million Kenyans went to vote on the 8th of August and no one complained until the results were announced.
Why not a recount?
What were the laws broken on election day by the 15 million voters?

I would bet that even the NASA supporters were hoping that the court could declare that Raila had won, they were not supporting a petition to ask them to vote again.





Nobody expected Raila to be declared Winner. We just wanted justice, that the system was flawed based on procedures & processes.
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