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obiero
#31 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 7:00:42 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
TPSEA has only one "city hotel" in Nairobi i.e. Nairobi Serena so the fortunes of the entire group including multiple lodges doesn't depend on Nairobi Serena. That said, there is competition and Serena needs to look at lower cost options that provide a good hotel without "frills" for business folk.

These budget hotels have no need for a pool, maisha club, etc but put in a decent restaurant, nightclub, conferencing facilities and a business center.

The whole problem is that one city hotel. They should have had at least three to take opportunity of MICE.. Radisson, Kempinski & Hilton are having Serenas lunch and dinner too..

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Ebenyo
#32 Posted : Tuesday, August 22, 2017 10:41:28 AM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
TPSEA has only one "city hotel" in Nairobi i.e. Nairobi Serena so the fortunes of the entire group including multiple lodges doesn't depend on Nairobi Serena. That said, there is competition and Serena needs to look at lower cost options that provide a good hotel without "frills" for business folk.

These budget hotels have no need for a pool, maisha club, etc but put in a decent restaurant, nightclub, conferencing facilities and a business center.

The whole problem is that one city hotel. They should have had at least three to take opportunity of MICE.. Radisson, Kempinski & Hilton are having Serenas lunch and dinner too..


A business that is seasonal is very volatile in its performance.This group must try a way to bridge the gap between on season and off season.They are very exposed kutegemea tu wazungu na waafrika wenye pesa mingi.Thats not sustainable in the next 100 years.
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obiero
#33 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:32:04 PM
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Ebenyo wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
TPSEA has only one "city hotel" in Nairobi i.e. Nairobi Serena so the fortunes of the entire group including multiple lodges doesn't depend on Nairobi Serena. That said, there is competition and Serena needs to look at lower cost options that provide a good hotel without "frills" for business folk.

These budget hotels have no need for a pool, maisha club, etc but put in a decent restaurant, nightclub, conferencing facilities and a business center.

The whole problem is that one city hotel. They should have had at least three to take opportunity of MICE.. Radisson, Kempinski & Hilton are having Serenas lunch and dinner too..


A business that is seasonal is very volatile in its performance.This group must try a way to bridge the gap between on season and off season.They are very exposed kutegemea tu wazungu na waafrika wenye pesa mingi.Thats not sustainable in the next 100 years.

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VituVingiSana
#34 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:48:12 PM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
TPSEA has only one "city hotel" in Nairobi i.e. Nairobi Serena so the fortunes of the entire group including multiple lodges doesn't depend on Nairobi Serena. That said, there is competition and Serena needs to look at lower cost options that provide a good hotel without "frills" for business folk.

These budget hotels have no need for a pool, maisha club, etc but put in a decent restaurant, nightclub, conferencing facilities and a business center.

The whole problem is that one city hotel. They should have had at least three to take opportunity of MICE.. Radisson, Kempinski & Hilton are having Serenas lunch and dinner too..

Hmmm, did you want them to expand like KQ did using lots and lots of debt?
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obiero
#35 Posted : Wednesday, August 23, 2017 10:49:17 PM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
TPSEA has only one "city hotel" in Nairobi i.e. Nairobi Serena so the fortunes of the entire group including multiple lodges doesn't depend on Nairobi Serena. That said, there is competition and Serena needs to look at lower cost options that provide a good hotel without "frills" for business folk.

These budget hotels have no need for a pool, maisha club, etc but put in a decent restaurant, nightclub, conferencing facilities and a business center.

The whole problem is that one city hotel. They should have had at least three to take opportunity of MICE.. Radisson, Kempinski & Hilton are having Serenas lunch and dinner too..

Hmmm, did you want them to expand like KQ did using lots and lots of debt?

No. Ownership of the hotels does not necessarily have to be directly. By the way..I thought this was a TPSEA thread

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VituVingiSana
#36 Posted : Thursday, August 24, 2017 9:55:43 AM
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obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
obiero wrote:
VituVingiSana wrote:
TPSEA has only one "city hotel" in Nairobi i.e. Nairobi Serena so the fortunes of the entire group including multiple lodges doesn't depend on Nairobi Serena. That said, there is competition and Serena needs to look at lower cost options that provide a good hotel without "frills" for business folk.

These budget hotels have no need for a pool, maisha club, etc but put in a decent restaurant, nightclub, conferencing facilities and a business center.

The whole problem is that one city hotel. They should have had at least three to take opportunity of MICE.. Radisson, Kempinski & Hilton are having Serenas lunch and dinner too..

Hmmm, did you want them to expand like KQ did using lots and lots of debt?

No. Ownership of the hotels does not necessarily have to be directly. By the way..I thought this was a TPSEA thread

I am trying to understand your logic. Yes, they can lease [like a certain airline] hotels but there's a lot that goes into it especially operational matters. Systems, staff, working capital, etc

Cashflow - This is key. Firms that expand too soon, too fast eg Nakumatt end up in trouble when they hit operational roadblocks and cashflow constraints.

That said, I think they should have at least another [sensible] high-end location perhaps in Westlands or Runda/Gigiri.
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Ericsson
#37 Posted : Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:05:01 AM
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Aga Khan has a lot of land within Nairobi.
PDM owned by Aga Khan can build a hotel building and lease out to Serena Hotel.
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VituVingiSana
#38 Posted : Thursday, August 24, 2017 10:54:50 AM
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Ericsson wrote:
Aga Khan has a lot of land within Nairobi.
PDM owned by Aga Khan can build a hotel building and lease out to Serena Hotel.

Getting a building (on lease) is the easy part. Operations (& cash) is where the rubber meets the road.

The "brands" we see are operators not owners eg the Simba Colt guys own Villa Rosa Kempinski, etc.

Serena/TPSEA needs to run/own/lease properties that earn the best ROI rather than where they are located. With the erratic nature of tourism, can TPSEA afford to take on much more debt to expand?

Are returns ex-Kenya better?
Are return ex-Nairobi better?
Does it make sense for TPS to wait to see if one of new units (chains) fail? The resulting outcome could be a cheaper entry point. Look at malls and offices.

As Nakumatt closes its stores or is evicted, Tuskys and Naivas can move in rather than competing with Nakumatt for space.

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Ericsson
#39 Posted : Thursday, August 24, 2017 11:09:49 AM
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VituVingiSana wrote:
Ericsson wrote:
Aga Khan has a lot of land within Nairobi.
PDM owned by Aga Khan can build a hotel building and lease out to Serena Hotel.

Getting a building (on lease) is the easy part. Operations (& cash) is where the rubber meets the road.

The "brands" we see are operators not owners eg the Simba Colt guys own Villa Rosa Kempinski, etc.

Serena/TPSEA needs to run/own/lease properties that earn the best ROI rather than where they are located. With the erratic nature of tourism, can TPSEA afford to take on much more debt to expand?

Are returns ex-Kenya better?
Are return ex-Nairobi better?
Does it make sense for TPS to wait to see if one of new units (chains) fail? The resulting outcome could be a cheaper entry point. Look at malls and offices.

As Nakumatt closes its stores or is evicted, Tuskys and Naivas can move in rather than competing with Nakumatt for space.



Tuskys,Naivas and nakumatt tena.The discussion is about TPSEA
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