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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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2012 wrote:Just wondering about Atworry. Is he Secretary General for life? He has been in that position ever since I can remember, he needs to give it up now that he's 'the' Luhya politician. They should use IEBC to arrange for the elections of COTU.
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/27/2010 Posts: 951 Location: Nyumbani
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tycho wrote:2012 wrote:tycho wrote:If there's 'rigging' of elections, then this is the ultimate act of rigging. Going by this event alone, it's not difficult to see Rao losing by a landslide.
By 2022 I expect the constitution to have been changed substantially to allow for third terms or even lifetime leadership.
This is a disappointing story, but if there's to be any serious political thought, now is the time to build its foundations.
Karua, Kenneth, Mdvd, Klnzo, Dida, are all lost. Please don't even mention Matiang'i. Baba is losing the next elections if he decides to run,there's no need to rig him out. He has no convincing agenda. He needs to back someone else this time round if he wants power but we all know that whomever he backs will play him after. But this spokesperson story is a clear rig. It's an imposition of a certain kind of order. By who? Even this argument that Baba needs to back someone is part of this rig. It's so clear how it may go. Whichever way he chooses, he loses. But isn't an election supposed to be fair? In this case, could we declare a systemic bias? Who determines whether an election is fair? Who do they represent? In all these things, I fear Wanjiku has absolutely no say. Wanjiku is a marionette.
She's been rigged out of existence. I watched a clip on Joho telling his people in coast that there are many Kikuyus in central who are very poor like themselves huko coast. He said the rich Kikuyu elite uses fear and tells the poor folk that if Raila wins, they will have no cows,business,cars to own. He then goes ahead and says how do i tell you that if Raila comes to power you will not have a cow and yet Uhunye is in power and you do not have one ? Kibaki was president for 2 terms and there are neighbors of his in Othaya still living in mud houses. When people will stop being stupid and use their heads, the president will not be tribal one.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/2/2009 Posts: 26,334 Location: Masada
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kiash wrote:tycho wrote:2012 wrote:tycho wrote:If there's 'rigging' of elections, then this is the ultimate act of rigging. Going by this event alone, it's not difficult to see Rao losing by a landslide.
By 2022 I expect the constitution to have been changed substantially to allow for third terms or even lifetime leadership.
This is a disappointing story, but if there's to be any serious political thought, now is the time to build its foundations.
Karua, Kenneth, Mdvd, Klnzo, Dida, are all lost. Please don't even mention Matiang'i. Baba is losing the next elections if he decides to run,there's no need to rig him out. He has no convincing agenda. He needs to back someone else this time round if he wants power but we all know that whomever he backs will play him after. But this spokesperson story is a clear rig. It's an imposition of a certain kind of order. By who? Even this argument that Baba needs to back someone is part of this rig. It's so clear how it may go. Whichever way he chooses, he loses. But isn't an election supposed to be fair? In this case, could we declare a systemic bias? Who determines whether an election is fair? Who do they represent? In all these things, I fear Wanjiku has absolutely no say. Wanjiku is a marionette.
She's been rigged out of existence. I watched a clip on Joho telling his people in coast that there are many Kikuyus in central who are very poor like themselves huko coast. He said the rich Kikuyu elite uses fear and tells the poor folk that if Raila wins, they will have no cows,business,cars to own. He then goes ahead and says how do i tell you that if Raila comes to power you will not have a cow and yet Uhunye is in power and you do not have one ? Kibaki was president for 2 terms and there are neighbors of his in Othaya still living in mud houses. When people will stop being stupid and use their heads, the president will not be tribal one. @kiash for MCA, Kiamakio ward...very bright insight there. Please now come back home, we need such sharp visionary brains.  Portfolio: Sold
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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Impunity wrote:kiash wrote:....the rich Kikuyu elite uses fear and tells the poor folk that if Raila wins, they will have no cows,business,cars to own. He then goes ahead and says how do i tell you that if Raila comes to power you will not have a cow and yet Uhunye is in power and you do not have one ?
When people will stop being stupid and use their heads, the president will not be tribal one.
@kiash for MCA, Kiamakio ward...very bright insight there. Please now come back home, we need such sharp visionary brains. I bet to differ. @Kiash has provided an A insight and as Dr. Matiang'i (God bless his soul) has proved, we are Ds and Es. Yes, as a poor Mugikuyu, I do not have a business, a car or a cow. However, under a Mugikuyu PORK, my chances and opportunities to obtain these material possessions are much, much higher than when The Right Honourable Prime Minister is PORK. In addition, as a Mugikuyu, I feel that not only The Right Honourable Prime Minister put in place policies that will grab the little possessions that I already possess, but those same policies will place hindrances to my opportunities. Further, as a Mugikuyu, I would rather be a poor man in a Mugikuyu PORK than a rich man under The Right Honourable Prime Ministers as PORK. As a Mugikuyu, (we) I entrusted another ethnic community with PORK and I suffered tremendously. Ask Andrew Kimani Ngumba and the owner of Madhu Paper. Those are my sentiments. I am a D citizen and we are the majority in every community.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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aemathenge wrote:Impunity wrote:kiash wrote:....the rich Kikuyu elite uses fear and tells the poor folk that if Raila wins, they will have no cows,business,cars to own. He then goes ahead and says how do i tell you that if Raila comes to power you will not have a cow and yet Uhunye is in power and you do not have one ?
When people will stop being stupid and use their heads, the president will not be tribal one.
@kiash for MCA, Kiamakio ward...very bright insight there. Please now come back home, we need such sharp visionary brains. I bet to differ. @Kiash has provided an A insight and as Dr. Matiang'i (God bless his soul) has proved, we are Ds and Es. Yes, as a poor Mugikuyu, I do not have a business, a car or a cow. However, under a Mugikuyu PORK, my chances and opportunities to obtain these material possessions are much, much higher than when The Right Honourable Prime Minister is PORK. In addition, as a Mugikuyu, I feel that not only The Right Honourable Prime Minister put in place policies that will grab the little possessions that I already possess, but those same policies will place hindrances to my opportunities. Further, as a Mugikuyu, I would rather be a poor man in a Mugikuyu PORK than a rich man under The Right Honourable Prime Ministers as PORK. As a Mugikuyu, (we) I entrusted another ethnic community with PORK and I suffered tremendously. Ask Andrew Kimani Ngumba and the owner of Madhu Paper. Those are my sentiments. I am a D citizen and we are the majority in every community. Firstly, Matiang'is grades are very contestable in relation to human potential and economics of effort and interest. Secondly, if it's a matter of chances, one would need to have knowledge of other possible scenarios and chance distribution among them. In this case how can we know what's best for us and when? Finally, it may be pragmatic to be selfish, but what sensitivity do we have of the changes in relations in our systems? For example Adam Smith's ideas may create an unstable and unsustainable world. Even the D student can learn. The majority can learn.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/18/2008 Posts: 3,434 Location: Kerugoya
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tycho wrote:Even the D student can learn. The majority can learn. You have got until 08 of August 2017 to teach me. Make it happen.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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2012 wrote:Just wondering about Atworry. Is he Secretary General for life? He has been in that position ever since I can remember, he needs to give it up now that he's 'the' Luhya politician. i think he started after Joseph Mugalla's exit around 1999
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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FRM2011 wrote:Kusadikika wrote:I like. If he plays his cards well and consolidates the home base behind him he is going to be president in 2022. He and UK are very close and UK more than anyone else will decide who becomes president in 2022. UK had to do the same. UK did not become president in 2013, he became president when Michuki declared, "Mtu yeyote ambaye anapenda Wakikuyu afuate Uhuru, Uhuru wa Kenyatta ndiye atakuwa kiongozi ya Wakikuyu" This was in 2010. UMK can't get you elected even as an MCA in 2022. i agree with kusadikika. uhunye sio obakoo
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,586
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kiash wrote:
I watched a clip on Joho telling his people in coast that there are many Kikuyus in central who are very poor like themselves huko coast. He said the rich Kikuyu elite uses fear and tells the poor folk that if Raila wins, they will have no cows,business,cars to own. He then goes ahead and says how do i tell you that if Raila comes to power you will not have a cow and yet Uhunye is in power and you do not have one ?
Kibaki was president for 2 terms and there are neighbors of his in Othaya still living in mud houses.
When people will stop being stupid and use their heads, the president will not be tribal one.
Jaramogi Odinga is recorded on youtube demanding kenyatta to buy luos tractors, "as he is doing for kikuyus", so where are these poor kikuyus from. The poor kikuyus you say are being cheated are the witnesses and victims of this stupidity and don't need a meeting with the rich to be lied to. Who were burnt in 2007? mostly peasants!. Even amongst wazuans, the stupidity is right here, if Raila were to win the election, the wazua rapist would go out and start raping young girls of 'okuyu' tribe aka "these people" in wazua. The fear of the above is not unfounded and stretches to other tribes, for example the owner of the Kimwa chain of hotels which were burnt was not a Kikuyu, but was associated with "okuyu" by some stupid logic that his followers use, and his business burnt, so you do not have to be "okuyu" to bear the brunt of this tribal stupidity and animosity, and violence, i experienced enough of it in eldoret as a student to know this, just some blood hungry stupid non-performing idiots who resort to tribe in search for esteem as a "herd" not as individuals. "Okuyu" is only 18% of Kenya's population, the "hutu" vs "tutsi" scenario was created in 1962 when Kenyatta was made Prime Minister, leading the Odingas to declare "tribal war" with "okuyu" over this "small job" called presidency, and hold all Kenyans ransom, to what Kenyatta did to Jaramogi, which is retold as "kikuyu" taking from "luo" hence the perpetual noise. This is where Mr. Odinga eats from, do you expect him to stop his 41 vs 1, okuyu this okuyu that nonesense and he has a "political party", for misleading, and eating from his tribe. Ras Kienyeji Man
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Rank: Elder Joined: 3/18/2011 Posts: 12,069 Location: Kianjokoma
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Quote:the "hutu" vs "tutsi" scenario was created in 1962 when Kenyatta was made Prime Minister, leading the Odingas to declare "tribal war" with "okuyu" over this "small job" called presidency, and hold all Kenyans ransom, to what Kenyatta did to Jaramogi, which is retold as "kikuyu" taking from "luo" hence the perpetual noise. This is where Mr. Odinga eats from, do you expect him to stop his 41 vs 1, okuyu this okuyu that nonesense and he has a "political party", for misleading, and eating from his tribe. I know RAO headed the anti Kikuyu movement from 2005 But I doubt what you say about Jaramogi is true His differences with Jomo seem to have come from the influence of cold war politics and western govts on Kenyatta I doubt tribe was a big factor in the differences
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