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Kengen FY16
Angelica _ann
#31 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2016 10:11:24 PM
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#32 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2016 10:18:37 PM
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Angelica _ann wrote:
KQ started like this. Promise after promise..... smile

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kawi254
#33 Posted : Friday, October 21, 2016 11:18:58 PM
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Financial types, please explain below:

"Compensating tax of Kshs.2,431 million is a provision that arose from payment of dividends of Kshs.5,735 million paid to the government during the year in accordance with section 7A(5) of the Income Tax Act Cap 470."

Did the GOK get paid 5.735 Billion? Can't be because total dividends last year wasn't even half of that amount. The Govt already gets 30% corporate tax, why another 43%? Any other NSE company paying compensation tax?
sparkly
#34 Posted : Saturday, October 22, 2016 8:34:01 AM
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kawi254 wrote:
Financial types, please explain below:

"Compensating tax of Kshs.2,431 million is a provision that arose from payment of dividends of Kshs.5,735 million paid to the government during the year in accordance with section 7A(5) of the Income Tax Act Cap 470."

Did the GOK get paid 5.735 Billion? Can't be because total dividends last year wasn't even half of that amount. The Govt already gets 30% corporate tax, why another 43%? Any other NSE company paying compensation tax?


Compensating tax was done away with from 2015.

Why is the GOK being paid dividend of 5B and other shareholders not receiving anything?

When they converted the GOK loan to equity, did they declare a dividend in specie to GOK? Even then, maximum WHT would have been 5%, that is if GOK is not exempt from tax.

Either a massive fraud going on or the auditors/ tax advisors have no idea.
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Ebenyo
#35 Posted : Saturday, October 22, 2016 10:04:05 AM
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Kengen initially wanted to raise kshs 28.8 bilion to finance:
1.140MW olkaria V
2.80MW meru wind phase 1
3.10MW ngong wind phase 2
Rights issue raised kshs 6.3 billion only.
Instead of gava giving 20.2 bilion in cash,it opted to convert its debts to kengen into equity.This brought a deficit of kshs 22.5 billion.With the results released,they now have 6.4 bilion more.In total they now have kshs 12.7 billion.They still have a deficit of kshs 16.1 billion.
My questions to the MD:
1.How does the board intend to fill the deficit without subjecting shareholders to prolonged dividend drought?
2.Whats the use of kshs 136 billion in retained earnings and reserves?

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mlennyma
#36 Posted : Saturday, October 22, 2016 10:13:45 AM
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Ebenyo wrote:
Kengen initially wanted to raise kshs 28.8 bilion to finance:
1.140MW olkaria V
2.80MW meru wind phase 1
3.10MW ngong wind phase 2
Rights issue raised kshs 6.3 billion only.
Instead of gava giving 20.2 bilion in cash,it opted to convert its debts to kengen into equity.This brought a deficit of kshs 22.5 billion.With the results released,they now have 6.4 bilion more.In total they now have kshs 12.7 billion.They still have a deficit of kshs 16.1 billion.
My questions to the MD:
1.How does the board intend to fill the deficit without subjecting shareholders to prolonged dividend drought?
2.Whats the use of kshs 136 billion in retained earnings and reserves?


can you really borrow or do a rights when you have that magnitude of cash reserves the answer is NO unless you are stupid
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Ebenyo
#37 Posted : Saturday, October 22, 2016 10:32:01 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
Kengen initially wanted to raise kshs 28.8 bilion to finance:
1.140MW olkaria V
2.80MW meru wind phase 1
3.10MW ngong wind phase 2
Rights issue raised kshs 6.3 billion only.
Instead of gava giving 20.2 bilion in cash,it opted to convert its debts to kengen into equity.This brought a deficit of kshs 22.5 billion.With the results released,they now have 6.4 bilion more.In total they now have kshs 12.7 billion.They still have a deficit of kshs 16.1 billion.
My questions to the MD:
1.How does the board intend to fill the deficit without subjecting shareholders to prolonged dividend drought?
2.Whats the use of kshs 136 billion in retained earnings and reserves?


can you really borrow or do a rights when you have that magnitude of cash reserves the answer is NO unless you are stupid


Im also wondering.Condensed statement of financial position of the company as at 30th june 2016,in the results released on wednesday,indicates the company has retained earnings and reserves of kshs 136,077,000,000.
Net assets of kshs 367,249,000,000.
If its true these retained earnings does not exist,then shareholders will stay without dividends for the next three years.
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sparkly
#38 Posted : Saturday, October 22, 2016 10:35:07 AM
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Ebenyo wrote:
Kengen initially wanted to raise kshs 28.8 bilion to finance:
1.140MW olkaria V
2.80MW meru wind phase 1
3.10MW ngong wind phase 2
Rights issue raised kshs 6.3 billion only.
Instead of gava giving 20.2 bilion in cash,it opted to convert its debts to kengen into equity.This brought a deficit of kshs 22.5 billion.With the results released,they now have 6.4 bilion more.In total they now have kshs 12.7 billion.They still have a deficit of kshs 16.1 billion.
My questions to the MD:
1.How does the board intend to fill the deficit without subjecting shareholders to prolonged dividend drought?
2.Whats the use of kshs 136 billion in retained earnings and reserves?



Rights was to improve the Debt:Equity ratios for them to borrow more debts from the International development organisations.

GOK converting loans to equity did not result in any cash inflows.

Only the 6.3B from other shareholders resulted in cash inflows.
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sparkly
#39 Posted : Saturday, October 22, 2016 10:39:25 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
Kengen initially wanted to raise kshs 28.8 bilion to finance:
1.140MW olkaria V
2.80MW meru wind phase 1
3.10MW ngong wind phase 2
Rights issue raised kshs 6.3 billion only.
Instead of gava giving 20.2 bilion in cash,it opted to convert its debts to kengen into equity.This brought a deficit of kshs 22.5 billion.With the results released,they now have 6.4 bilion more.In total they now have kshs 12.7 billion.They still have a deficit of kshs 16.1 billion.
My questions to the MD:
1.How does the board intend to fill the deficit without subjecting shareholders to prolonged dividend drought?
2.Whats the use of kshs 136 billion in retained earnings and reserves?


can you really borrow or do a rights when you have that magnitude of cash reserves the answer is NO unless you are stupid


Reserves are not necessarily in cash.
For cash see the cashflow statement.

Kengen revalued properties just before the rights hence the high reserves.

I did raise eyebrows when they revalued the power plants UPWARDS and reported gains.
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mlennyma
#40 Posted : Saturday, October 22, 2016 11:14:59 AM
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sparkly wrote:
mlennyma wrote:
Ebenyo wrote:
Kengen initially wanted to raise kshs 28.8 bilion to finance:
1.140MW olkaria V
2.80MW meru wind phase 1
3.10MW ngong wind phase 2
Rights issue raised kshs 6.3 billion only.
Instead of gava giving 20.2 bilion in cash,it opted to convert its debts to kengen into equity.This brought a deficit of kshs 22.5 billion.With the results released,they now have 6.4 bilion more.In total they now have kshs 12.7 billion.They still have a deficit of kshs 16.1 billion.
My questions to the MD:
1.How does the board intend to fill the deficit without subjecting shareholders to prolonged dividend drought?
2.Whats the use of kshs 136 billion in retained earnings and reserves?


can you really borrow or do a rights when you have that magnitude of cash reserves the answer is NO unless you are stupid


Reserves are not necessarily in cash.
For cash see the cashflow statement.

Kengen revalued properties just before the rights hence the high reserves.

I did raise eyebrows when they revalued the power plants UPWARDS and reported gains.

retained earnings means cash or ??
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