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Rank: Elder Joined: 6/20/2008 Posts: 6,275 Location: Kenya
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mkenyan wrote:Alba wrote:Here are the relevant dictionary definitions. Nowhere does it say "hunting" as masukuma claims
Thief: a person who steals another person's property, especially by stealth and without using force or violence.
Steal: Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
Therefore If a person leaves his wallet at your house and you take it, you are a thief especially if its a significant amount. This makes masukuma and people of similar ilk thieves.
In Mutahi's case it is worse because the contract he signed clearly stated how much he was owed. But he had a backdoor arrangement to pocket more money than stated. He is clearly a thief.
What makes Mutahi an even bigger thief is that he was unqualified and likely did not do any work. He never went hunting as masukuma claims. He arranged a back door deal to steal tax payer money without auditing anything.
Not only are we a country of bandits but clearly we as a country have no moral compass at all. spot on. it is not surprising seeing some of us here trying to justify corruption. And these guys here are supposed to be the elite of the society...
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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AlphDoti wrote:mkenyan wrote:Alba wrote:Here are the relevant dictionary definitions. Nowhere does it say "hunting" as masukuma claims
Thief: a person who steals another person's property, especially by stealth and without using force or violence.
Steal: Take (another person's property) without permission or legal right and without intending to return it.
Therefore If a person leaves his wallet at your house and you take it, you are a thief especially if its a significant amount. This makes masukuma and people of similar ilk thieves.
In Mutahi's case it is worse because the contract he signed clearly stated how much he was owed. But he had a backdoor arrangement to pocket more money than stated. He is clearly a thief.
What makes Mutahi an even bigger thief is that he was unqualified and likely did not do any work. He never went hunting as masukuma claims. He arranged a back door deal to steal tax payer money without auditing anything.
Not only are we a country of bandits but clearly we as a country have no moral compass at all. spot on. it is not surprising seeing some of us here trying to justify corruption. And these guys here are supposed to be the elite of the society... wewe ongea tu... thubutu kutuma pesa kwa account yangu "kimakosa" uone moto!! zikiingia huko ni kama kwa mganga... HAZITOKI!! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 8/25/2012 Posts: 1,826
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 wazua ina mambo, reminds me the other day safcom were calling me asking me for permission to reverse some transaction that happened to a lipa na mpesa account I own, some guy had accidentally sent the cash to my till, had safcom not called I would not have known the cash was deposited and even if I noticed the deposit I would not have been sure if it was a clients or not, but still I don't go through my account looking for wrong transactions to refund, its up to the person who made the mistake to take that initiative.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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sitaki.kujulikana wrote: wazua ina mambo, reminds me the other day safcom were calling me asking me for permission to reverse some transaction that happened to a lipa na mpesa account I own, some guy had accidentally sent the cash to my till, had safcom not called I would not have known the cash was deposited and even if I noticed the deposit I would not have been sure if it was a clients or not, but still I don't go through my account looking for wrong transactions to refund, its up to the person who made the mistake to take that initiative. Na kwanza huyo jamaa akiongea mbaya... akuite mwizi? Hazitatoka.... Kwanza nanunua airtime ya 100 bob even safcom cannot reverse that. Watu wajue kuongea poa - I DON'T HAVE TO LIFT A FINGER IF IT'S NOT IN MY INTEREST. I am not your slave unanipatia kazi yenye hailipwi?... nani atanilipa kukurudishia pesa? it's not in my interest to refund you the money.... you need to appeal to me sio ujeuri. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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masukuma wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote: wazua ina mambo, reminds me the other day safcom were calling me asking me for permission to reverse some transaction that happened to a lipa na mpesa account I own, some guy had accidentally sent the cash to my till, had safcom not called I would not have known the cash was deposited and even if I noticed the deposit I would not have been sure if it was a clients or not, but still I don't go through my account looking for wrong transactions to refund, its up to the person who made the mistake to take that initiative. Na kwanza huyo jamaa akiongea mbaya... akuite mwizi? Hazitatoka.... Kwanza nanunua airtime ya 100 bob even safcom cannot reverse that. Watu wajue kuongea poa - I DON'T HAVE TO LIFT A FINGER IF IT'S NOT IN MY INTEREST. I am not your slave unanipatia kazi yenye hailipwi?... nani atanilipa kukurudishia pesa? it's not in my interest to refund you the money.... you need to appeal to me sio ujeuri. Aiih boss, we agree to disagree. .. Ubuntu. ..utu. ..We cannot reduce ourselves as human beings to this level of consumeralism. ..We should aspire higher. ...wah Democracy does not belong to the dead
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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githundi wrote:masukuma wrote:sitaki.kujulikana wrote: wazua ina mambo, reminds me the other day safcom were calling me asking me for permission to reverse some transaction that happened to a lipa na mpesa account I own, some guy had accidentally sent the cash to my till, had safcom not called I would not have known the cash was deposited and even if I noticed the deposit I would not have been sure if it was a clients or not, but still I don't go through my account looking for wrong transactions to refund, its up to the person who made the mistake to take that initiative. Na kwanza huyo jamaa akiongea mbaya... akuite mwizi? Hazitatoka.... Kwanza nanunua airtime ya 100 bob even safcom cannot reverse that. Watu wajue kuongea poa - I DON'T HAVE TO LIFT A FINGER IF IT'S NOT IN MY INTEREST. I am not your slave unanipatia kazi yenye hailipwi?... nani atanilipa kukurudishia pesa? it's not in my interest to refund you the money.... you need to appeal to me sio ujeuri. Aiih boss, we agree to disagree. .. Ubuntu. ..utu. ..We cannot reduce ourselves as human beings to this level of consumeralism. ..We should aspire higher. ...wah yes appeal to my "utu" but don't arrogantly demand it... All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/23/2008 Posts: 3,017
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@Masukuma, on occasion you pick the wrong side of a position then die with it. Ngunyi was contracted by NYS at an agreed fee, he performed the services and was overpaid, he decided to keep quiet about it pretending that he had not noticed. Yes he is a thief. Its like a shop keeper who does not call you back when you forget to collect your change while he is holding it. Mwizi. Its definitely not same as someone you don't know making a deposit to your bank account or Mpesa account. P.S. I have called once to return some misrouted Mpesa. "The purpose of bureaucracy is to compensate for incompetence and lack of discipline." James Collins
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:@Masukuma, on occasion you pick the wrong side of a position then die with it.
Ngunyi was contracted by NYS at an agreed fee, he performed the services and was overpaid, he decided to keep quiet about it pretending that he had not noticed. Yes he is a thief.
Its like a shop keeper who does not call you back when you forget to collect your change while he is holding it. Mwizi.
Its definitely not same as someone you don't know making a deposit to your bank account or Mpesa account.
P.S. I have called once to return some misrouted Mpesa. yes... it's not his job to send back money! ukiwacha change kwa duka don't blame the shopkeeper for your mistake. this world is full of people who think because they are good that everyone else should be like them. mwizi huiba... do your job well and don't be careless expecting others to do it for you and being unhappy or even condemn them for not . human beings have lapses but don't walk around like society owes you squat! kila mtu alijileta Nairobi boss.... if it's theft - can you send them to the cops for it? will they be jailed because they were overpaid? NO! of course not!! so it's not theft - you just are offended and equate it to theft but you know it's not. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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masukuma wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:@Masukuma, on occasion you pick the wrong side of a position then die with it.
Ngunyi was contracted by NYS at an agreed fee, he performed the services and was overpaid, he decided to keep quiet about it pretending that he had not noticed. Yes he is a thief.
Its like a shop keeper who does not call you back when you forget to collect your change while he is holding it. Mwizi.
Its definitely not same as someone you don't know making a deposit to your bank account or Mpesa account.
P.S. I have called once to return some misrouted Mpesa. yes... it's not his job to send back money! ukiwacha change kwa duka don't blame the shopkeeper for your mistake. this world is full of people who think because they are good that everyone else should be like them. mwizi huiba... do your job well and don't be careless expecting others to do it for you and being unhappy or even condemn them for not . human beings have lapses but don't walk around like society owes you squat! kila mtu alijileta Nairobi boss.... if it's theft - can you send them to the cops for it? will they be jailed because they were overpaid? NO! of course not!! so it's not theft - you just are offended and equate it to theft but you know it's not. Those who sit watching what payments are getting into their accounts have very little to do. Well maybe its the salary syndrome. If you expect money from various sources keeping up with extra payments is a tall order. Why is no one blaming the one who wrote the 2 checks? "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/19/2010 Posts: 1,308 Location: nairobi metropolitan
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murchr wrote:masukuma wrote:Obi 1 Kanobi wrote:@Masukuma, on occasion you pick the wrong side of a position then die with it.
Ngunyi was contracted by NYS at an agreed fee, he performed the services and was overpaid, he decided to keep quiet about it pretending that he had not noticed. Yes he is a thief.
Its like a shop keeper who does not call you back when you forget to collect your change while he is holding it. Mwizi.
Its definitely not same as someone you don't know making a deposit to your bank account or Mpesa account.
P.S. I have called once to return some misrouted Mpesa. yes... it's not his job to send back money! ukiwacha change kwa duka don't blame the shopkeeper for your mistake. this world is full of people who think because they are good that everyone else should be like them. mwizi huiba... do your job well and don't be careless expecting others to do it for you and being unhappy or even condemn them for not . human beings have lapses but don't walk around like society owes you squat! kila mtu alijileta Nairobi boss.... if it's theft - can you send them to the cops for it? will they be jailed because they were overpaid? NO! of course not!! so it's not theft - you just are offended and equate it to theft but you know it's not. Those who sit watching what payments are getting into their accounts have very little to do. Well maybe its the salary syndrome. If you expect money from various sources keeping up with extra payments is a tall order. Why is no one blaming the one who wrote the 2 checks? @Muchr, it's like a case of a person who gives a bribe and the one who takes the bribe, who is not to blame? Democracy does not belong to the dead
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