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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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alma1 wrote:Saying the word license to an ICT person is giving them a poisoned chalice. That's we have open source software to stop paying for bloody licenses. If anyone advised these people that I'd waste my 5k to be licensed by some fellows I have never heard about who have 49 twitter followers and who can decide if my personal behavior is ICT, then let them think again. This is the internet..Tutahama arusha, na rwanda and keep on coding. We don't survive on gov't handouts. It's very sad. Here I was always saying Bitange was wrong on some issues only now to see how waaaaay out of the world this man really was. Now we went to get some fellow who boasts about google this google that. In a space of 3 days Kenya has gone backwards to 1999 when we only one had one computer at UON. 1. Kenya supported an amendment against human writes for people on the internet. Our friends were China, Russia, Saudi Arabia. Real bastions of treating Kenyan maids very well. http://www.fin24.com/Tec...-un-resolution-20160704
2. Mucheru and co have decided that young hustlers who can't afford rent should be subjected to giving their hard earned money to a group of people they don't know. Mucheru is a real disappointment to say the least. This dream of Silicon Valley of Africa is now just a myth. I hope I'll be allowed to be an ICT practitioner in the next gov't. In the meantime even with all the coding I know, I will have to wait until next year for vetting. So BITANGE was part of this bill?screw him
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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enyands wrote:alma1 wrote:Saying the word license to an ICT person is giving them a poisoned chalice. That's we have open source software to stop paying for bloody licenses. If anyone advised these people that I'd waste my 5k to be licensed by some fellows I have never heard about who have 49 twitter followers and who can decide if my personal behavior is ICT, then let them think again. This is the internet..Tutahama arusha, na rwanda and keep on coding. We don't survive on gov't handouts. It's very sad. Here I was always saying Bitange was wrong on some issues only now to see how waaaaay out of the world this man really was. Now we went to get some fellow who boasts about google this google that. In a space of 3 days Kenya has gone backwards to 1999 when we only one had one computer at UON. 1. Kenya supported an amendment against human writes for people on the internet. Our friends were China, Russia, Saudi Arabia. Real bastions of treating Kenyan maids very well. http://www.fin24.com/Tec...-un-resolution-20160704
2. Mucheru and co have decided that young hustlers who can't afford rent should be subjected to giving their hard earned money to a group of people they don't know. Mucheru is a real disappointment to say the least. This dream of Silicon Valley of Africa is now just a myth. I hope I'll be allowed to be an ICT practitioner in the next gov't. In the meantime even with all the coding I know, I will have to wait until next year for vetting. So BITANGE was part of this bill?screw him No I said Bitange was waaay above the league of the current CS. I'm sure these two actions would never have passed the secretaries office. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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alma1 wrote:enyands wrote:alma1 wrote:Saying the word license to an ICT person is giving them a poisoned chalice. That's we have open source software to stop paying for bloody licenses. If anyone advised these people that I'd waste my 5k to be licensed by some fellows I have never heard about who have 49 twitter followers and who can decide if my personal behavior is ICT, then let them think again. This is the internet..Tutahama arusha, na rwanda and keep on coding. We don't survive on gov't handouts. It's very sad. Here I was always saying Bitange was wrong on some issues only now to see how waaaaay out of the world this man really was. Now we went to get some fellow who boasts about google this google that. In a space of 3 days Kenya has gone backwards to 1999 when we only one had one computer at UON. 1. Kenya supported an amendment against human writes for people on the internet. Our friends were China, Russia, Saudi Arabia. Real bastions of treating Kenyan maids very well. http://www.fin24.com/Tec...-un-resolution-20160704
2. Mucheru and co have decided that young hustlers who can't afford rent should be subjected to giving their hard earned money to a group of people they don't know. Mucheru is a real disappointment to say the least. This dream of Silicon Valley of Africa is now just a myth. I hope I'll be allowed to be an ICT practitioner in the next gov't. In the meantime even with all the coding I know, I will have to wait until next year for vetting. So BITANGE was part of this bill?screw him No I said Bitange was waaay above the league of the current CS. I'm sure these two actions would never have passed the secretaries office. I was worried because i always know him to be way over board . All in all unscrew him then ..
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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alma1 wrote:enyands wrote:alma1 wrote:Saying the word license to an ICT person is giving them a poisoned chalice. That's we have open source software to stop paying for bloody licenses. If anyone advised these people that I'd waste my 5k to be licensed by some fellows I have never heard about who have 49 twitter followers and who can decide if my personal behavior is ICT, then let them think again. This is the internet..Tutahama arusha, na rwanda and keep on coding. We don't survive on gov't handouts. It's very sad. Here I was always saying Bitange was wrong on some issues only now to see how waaaaay out of the world this man really was. Now we went to get some fellow who boasts about google this google that. In a space of 3 days Kenya has gone backwards to 1999 when we only one had one computer at UON. 1. Kenya supported an amendment against human writes for people on the internet. Our friends were China, Russia, Saudi Arabia. Real bastions of treating Kenyan maids very well. http://www.fin24.com/Tec...-un-resolution-20160704
2. Mucheru and co have decided that young hustlers who can't afford rent should be subjected to giving their hard earned money to a group of people they don't know. Mucheru is a real disappointment to say the least. This dream of Silicon Valley of Africa is now just a myth. I hope I'll be allowed to be an ICT practitioner in the next gov't. In the meantime even with all the coding I know, I will have to wait until next year for vetting. So BITANGE was part of this bill?screw him No I said Bitange was waaay above the league of the current CS. I'm sure these two actions would never have passed the secretaries office. Hold your horse, this is not Mucheru's doing. Its a private member bill, probably some MP who must pay dearly for some IT services hence the reasoning that he can cap the prices and fix someone. How about not being a member of this society or whatever they call it. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:enyands wrote:alma1 wrote:Saying the word license to an ICT person is giving them a poisoned chalice. That's we have open source software to stop paying for bloody licenses. If anyone advised these people that I'd waste my 5k to be licensed by some fellows I have never heard about who have 49 twitter followers and who can decide if my personal behavior is ICT, then let them think again. This is the internet..Tutahama arusha, na rwanda and keep on coding. We don't survive on gov't handouts. It's very sad. Here I was always saying Bitange was wrong on some issues only now to see how waaaaay out of the world this man really was. Now we went to get some fellow who boasts about google this google that. In a space of 3 days Kenya has gone backwards to 1999 when we only one had one computer at UON. 1. Kenya supported an amendment against human writes for people on the internet. Our friends were China, Russia, Saudi Arabia. Real bastions of treating Kenyan maids very well. http://www.fin24.com/Tec...-un-resolution-20160704
2. Mucheru and co have decided that young hustlers who can't afford rent should be subjected to giving their hard earned money to a group of people they don't know. Mucheru is a real disappointment to say the least. This dream of Silicon Valley of Africa is now just a myth. I hope I'll be allowed to be an ICT practitioner in the next gov't. In the meantime even with all the coding I know, I will have to wait until next year for vetting. So BITANGE was part of this bill?screw him No I said Bitange was waaay above the league of the current CS. I'm sure these two actions would never have passed the secretaries office. Hold your horse, this is not Mucheru's doing. Its a private member bill, probably some MP who must pay dearly for some IT services hence the reasoning that he can cap the prices and fix someone. How about not being a member of this society or whatever they call it. he confirmed the same on some other forum we are on.. Quote:The Ministry would like to clarify that this Practitioners Bill is a Private Member’s Bill. Whilst it deals with the ICT sector, it does not originate from the ICT Ministry and does not represent the Policy Position of the Government of Kenya.
A private member can get a bill sponsored in parliament and it goes through the first reading and then is passed to the ICT committee.. At this stage, there is a legal requirement to have stake holder engagement and after that process is completed (can be over six months), the bill goes for a second reading and eventually a third reading and then goes to the president. This are all safeguards put in the law to ensure at every stage there is room to review or reject a Bill.
In terms of next steps, I expect the parliamentary committee on ICT to meet on Tuesday, review any feedback they have so far and then call for stakeholder input and further determine the time required to get feedback. This could include #KIlltheICTBILL. Key thing to note is there is a clear process that allows for feedback.
I personally plan to present mine and the governments views to Parliament and basically this is to say, this Bill is not inline with the Government position. The Bill would not only stifle innovation, but would be too expensive to run. As a member of the ICT community, I would also like to hear other stakeholders input into the process in Parliament so I wait. I do not believe the bill can possibly pass through parliament in its current state anyway. Remember at the end of the day, MPs will still have to vote on it
so hiyo yote iko kwa 'katimba' All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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masukuma wrote:murchr wrote:alma1 wrote:enyands wrote:alma1 wrote:Saying the word license to an ICT person is giving them a poisoned chalice. That's we have open source software to stop paying for bloody licenses. If anyone advised these people that I'd waste my 5k to be licensed by some fellows I have never heard about who have 49 twitter followers and who can decide if my personal behavior is ICT, then let them think again. This is the internet..Tutahama arusha, na rwanda and keep on coding. We don't survive on gov't handouts. It's very sad. Here I was always saying Bitange was wrong on some issues only now to see how waaaaay out of the world this man really was. Now we went to get some fellow who boasts about google this google that. In a space of 3 days Kenya has gone backwards to 1999 when we only one had one computer at UON. 1. Kenya supported an amendment against human writes for people on the internet. Our friends were China, Russia, Saudi Arabia. Real bastions of treating Kenyan maids very well. http://www.fin24.com/Tec...-un-resolution-20160704
2. Mucheru and co have decided that young hustlers who can't afford rent should be subjected to giving their hard earned money to a group of people they don't know. Mucheru is a real disappointment to say the least. This dream of Silicon Valley of Africa is now just a myth. I hope I'll be allowed to be an ICT practitioner in the next gov't. In the meantime even with all the coding I know, I will have to wait until next year for vetting. So BITANGE was part of this bill?screw him No I said Bitange was waaay above the league of the current CS. I'm sure these two actions would never have passed the secretaries office. Hold your horse, this is not Mucheru's doing. Its a private member bill, probably some MP who must pay dearly for some IT services hence the reasoning that he can cap the prices and fix someone. How about not being a member of this society or whatever they call it. he confirmed the same on some other forum we are on.. Quote:The Ministry would like to clarify that this Practitioners Bill is a Private Member’s Bill. Whilst it deals with the ICT sector, it does not originate from the ICT Ministry and does not represent the Policy Position of the Government of Kenya.
A private member can get a bill sponsored in parliament and it goes through the first reading and then is passed to the ICT committee.. At this stage, there is a legal requirement to have stake holder engagement and after that process is completed (can be over six months), the bill goes for a second reading and eventually a third reading and then goes to the president. This are all safeguards put in the law to ensure at every stage there is room to review or reject a Bill.
In terms of next steps, I expect the parliamentary committee on ICT to meet on Tuesday, review any feedback they have so far and then call for stakeholder input and further determine the time required to get feedback. This could include #KIlltheICTBILL. Key thing to note is there is a clear process that allows for feedback.
I personally plan to present mine and the governments views to Parliament and basically this is to say, this Bill is not inline with the Government position. The Bill would not only stifle innovation, but would be too expensive to run. As a member of the ICT community, I would also like to hear other stakeholders input into the process in Parliament so I wait. I do not believe the bill can possibly pass through parliament in its current state anyway. Remember at the end of the day, MPs will still have to vote on it
so hiyo yote iko kwa 'katimba' Phew. OK . This was the missing piece of the puzzle. As long as this Mucheru guy isn't for it then we are safe for now. Uwa hii bill kabisa and let it never rise again.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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oh come on!!!!! Are you trying to say that a whole CS did not know that a bill, that would definately cripple the economy, had gone through the first reading in parliament? Isn't that the meaning of inept? I don't believe a word that comes out of gov't employees not a word. This bill was going to sail through parliament hadn't some hawk eyed teen discovered it buried deep in a newspaper advertisement. I remember the hashtag #babawhenyouwereaway #bitangewhenyouwereaway some guy in gov't decided that its cool to say that the Kenyan gov't shall not support human rights for people using the internet #bitangewhenyouwereaway some guy in gov't decided to force everyone with a computer to go sign up to some organisation that no one knows about. No one is going to get away from this one. If Mucheru is so innocent I'd like him not to hide the name of this "private member" who proposed it. This "private member's" name is like a state secret. No one wants to mention him/her I would also like the gov't to come clean on exactly who this amorphous group of people calling themselves ITAssociation sijui what really are. Their website doesn't mention who they are, their membership, how they vote or anything. Other than the fact that every young Kenyan who enters a cyber must pay them 5k per year. There is only one statement we want from the CS and gov't officials. The Digital gov't has killed this bill. Not negotiating about a bill. This bill needs to go PERIOD!! The Jubilee gov't can kill it in the committee stage PERIOD!! Not using semantics and blaming the boogeyman no one seems to know about. Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/25/2014 Posts: 2,301 Location: kenya
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alma1 wrote:oh come on!!!!!
Are you trying to say that a whole CS did not know that a bill, that would definately cripple the economy, had gone through the first reading in parliament?
Isn't that the meaning of inept?
I don't believe a word that comes out of gov't employees not a word.
This bill was going to sail through parliament hadn't some hawk eyed teen discovered it buried deep in a newspaper advertisement.
I remember the hashtag #babawhenyouwereaway
#bitangewhenyouwereaway some guy in gov't decided that its cool to say that the Kenyan gov't shall not support human rights for people using the internet
#bitangewhenyouwereaway some guy in gov't decided to force everyone with a computer to go sign up to some organisation that no one knows about.
No one is going to get away from this one. If Mucheru is so innocent I'd like him not to hide the name of this "private member" who proposed it. This "private member's" name is like a state secret. No one wants to mention him/her
I would also like the gov't to come clean on exactly who this amorphous group of people calling themselves ITAssociation sijui what really are. Their website doesn't mention who they are, their membership, how they vote or anything. Other than the fact that every young Kenyan who enters a cyber must pay them 5k per year.
There is only one statement we want from the CS and gov't officials. The Digital gov't has killed this bill.
Not negotiating about a bill. This bill needs to go PERIOD!!
The Jubilee gov't can kill it in the committee stage PERIOD!!
Not using semantics and blaming the boogeyman no one seems to know about. Huko kenyatalk.com wanakashifu this bill kabisa .I just posted my comments on #killictbill. kenyatalk.comQuote:
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Petitioning President Uhuru Kenyatta
Say No to the ICT Practitioners Bill
Geoff Mureithi
Kenya
2,450
Supporters
The Kenyan Govt proposed a bill: The ICT Practitioners Bill. This bill comes with some wrong ideologies such as:
-For you to practice any ICT related activities you have to be registered as a Practitioner. This means licence fees, and other possible fines. The youths are the one who practice ICT. Most youths do so because they are jobless. This will obviously discourage any current or future practitioners.
- Is either a holder of an ICT Degree, diploma or any Degree with 3 years experience. We all know that most ICT practitioners do not have any or have very little formal education on ICT.
- Extra bureaucracies which are most likely to discourage youth from registering and possibly foster corruption.
Anyone who has worked in the ICT field knows that this is a free world of trade. These regulations are more likely to hinder youths progress than to help the industry.
Please leave your comments so as thy maybe printed out and submitted to the clerk of the Kenyan Paliament on Thursday 8-7-2016
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Geoff Mureithi started this petition with a single signature, and now has 2,450 supporters. Start a petition today to change something you care about.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,823 Location: Nairobi
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alma1 wrote:oh come on!!!!!
Are you trying to say that a whole CS did not know that a bill, that would definately cripple the economy, had gone through the first reading in parliament?
Isn't that the meaning of inept?
I don't believe a word that comes out of gov't employees not a word.
This bill was going to sail through parliament hadn't some hawk eyed teen discovered it buried deep in a newspaper advertisement.
I remember the hashtag #babawhenyouwereaway
#bitangewhenyouwereaway some guy in gov't decided that its cool to say that the Kenyan gov't shall not support human rights for people using the internet
#bitangewhenyouwereaway some guy in gov't decided to force everyone with a computer to go sign up to some organisation that no one knows about.
No one is going to get away from this one. If Mucheru is so innocent I'd like him not to hide the name of this "private member" who proposed it. This "private member's" name is like a state secret. No one wants to mention him/her
I would also like the gov't to come clean on exactly who this amorphous group of people calling themselves ITAssociation sijui what really are. Their website doesn't mention who they are, their membership, how they vote or anything. Other than the fact that every young Kenyan who enters a cyber must pay them 5k per year.
There is only one statement we want from the CS and gov't officials. The Digital gov't has killed this bill.
Not negotiating about a bill. This bill needs to go PERIOD!!
The Jubilee gov't can kill it in the committee stage PERIOD!!
Not using semantics and blaming the boogeyman no one seems to know about. Boss - what you believe is immaterial to the facts. Karibu Kenya - your Katimba is the one that permits this. It's not a government sponsored bill - that is clear. it did not pass though the executive. of course there are old establishment types looking at cashing in on this. You too can draft a bill and give your MP to front it. Karibu kwa katimba mpya - GOK is not the only originator of bills. Why do you want him to tell you who the private member is? si you stop throwing tantums and find out yourself - it's not a state secret. All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 9/19/2015 Posts: 2,871 Location: hapo
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masukuma wrote:alma1 wrote:oh come on!!!!!
Are you trying to say that a whole CS did not know that a bill, that would definately cripple the economy, had gone through the first reading in parliament?
Isn't that the meaning of inept?
I don't believe a word that comes out of gov't employees not a word.
This bill was going to sail through parliament hadn't some hawk eyed teen discovered it buried deep in a newspaper advertisement.
I remember the hashtag #babawhenyouwereaway
#bitangewhenyouwereaway some guy in gov't decided that its cool to say that the Kenyan gov't shall not support human rights for people using the internet
#bitangewhenyouwereaway some guy in gov't decided to force everyone with a computer to go sign up to some organisation that no one knows about.
No one is going to get away from this one. If Mucheru is so innocent I'd like him not to hide the name of this "private member" who proposed it. This "private member's" name is like a state secret. No one wants to mention him/her
I would also like the gov't to come clean on exactly who this amorphous group of people calling themselves ITAssociation sijui what really are. Their website doesn't mention who they are, their membership, how they vote or anything. Other than the fact that every young Kenyan who enters a cyber must pay them 5k per year.
There is only one statement we want from the CS and gov't officials. The Digital gov't has killed this bill.
Not negotiating about a bill. This bill needs to go PERIOD!!
The Jubilee gov't can kill it in the committee stage PERIOD!!
Not using semantics and blaming the boogeyman no one seems to know about. Boss - what you believe is immaterial to the facts. Karibu Kenya - your Katimba is the one that permits this. It's not a government sponsored bill - that is clear. it did not pass though the executive. of course there are old establishment types looking at cashing in on this. You too can draft a bill and give your MP to front it. Karibu kwa katimba mpya - GOK is not the only originator of bills. Why do you want him to tell you who the private member is? si you stop throwing tantums and find out yourself - it's not a state secret. Ohh boy here we go again....Blaming the katiba. There is nothing wrong with a private members bill. I love the idea. As you can read, I'm talking about this particular bill which gov't agencies are pretending that they have no idea about. Yaani ati hawayui . You just have got to be kidding me. Since you seem to know who the private member is, why don't you enlighten us. As far as I can see, its a state secret. No one is mentioning them. Ama ni wewe na hatuyui. A bill went through the first reading in gov't. These fellows knew. They kept mum. So now they blame this "private member" and now even katiba. Wololo. Just remove this damn bill and start fresh... Thieves are not good people. Tumeelewana?
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