The only person who complains about immigration is a lazy person. Most brits are lazy, trump guys don't get me started. Kenyans and my tribe....now watch the brits with their inherited queen for life die

True that! The liberals have had their day in the sun, the right wingers are getting their mojo back. That is the sad reality.

History is one continuous flow of domino effects. I was listening to a radio program I don't remember which but it could have been NPR and one guest drew the cause of what we are seeing now in Europe much farther back. His theory was that in the 60s, 70s and 80s most of what is consumed in the industrialized world was produced in very few places namely, USA, France, Britain, Germany, Japan and much later Korea.

You remember cars, stereos anything electronic you can think about was produced in those 5 or so countries and consumed not just in Kenya but everywhere else in the world. What this meant is that the whole world was buying goods from a few and they acted like a monopoly, prices were high and this afforded them high paying jobs for a good portion of their population who enjoyed a high quality of life. Does anyone remember how expensive stereos and TVs were in the 80s?

So the biggest disruption in this scarce labor market came from China. Starting in the late 80s growing in the 90s and peeking in the 2000s a labor force equal or bigger than what had existed in the previous 30 years entered the market and to compound the problem they were much more efficient and much cheaper. So all the money that was flowing from the rest of the world to prop up jobs and lifestyles in the US, Britain, France, Germany starts to flow to China. Look at everything you wear, look at the things in your house, look at the things in your pocket and discover that probably more than half if not more is made in China. It is not just here in Kenya but probably everyone in the world including in those developed countries has goods and services supplied by China.

I am personally aware of areas in the US that used to be mega steel factories in the American Midwest that are now ghost towns. Plants that used to employ thousands of people that are now closed and rusting. I can imagine it must be the same in the UK. Those factories that used to make Leylands and Bedfords and all electrical appliances in the UK must be closed I bet. Those are millions of jobs gone just like that.

The US owned the whole of North and South America in terms of goods. So when countries like Brazil and Mexico started producing for consumption and export something had to give in the US.

Masukuma, I think this Brexit group is more reactionary that proactive..... I think I read somewhere that they were even surprised that they had won. I do not think they have a plan or even if they have one they have not thought it through.

There was a wazuan here, I do not remember who, who gave a story of his uncle or his dad who went to Mang'u those early days when if only he had stayed his life would have been different but he left in a huff because he was too proud and did not like something that he was told to do. The wazuan then said how profound the saying "jishinde ushinde" is.

I guess it is the same thing, there are living proud Wazungus who remember how great Great Britain once was or how Great America once was and they think that if we can just kick out all these immigrants who were not here when we were great we can have our greatness back. They do not know they have been priced out of the market.

I think they might try protectionism or tariffs but that might take too long. I see a country somewhere being bombed to create the necessary forcing of hand to renegotiate terms and make new rules. It has always worked in the past. An enemy outside must be found or created to unite the inside.

Whatever happens this is going to be very interesting to see how things unfold.

that was my grandpa... he was a contemporary of Tom Mboya but aliwacha shule coz ya vitu za catholics in the school then and decided to go to TZ... hata sijui alienda TZ ku-do!