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#31 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2015 2:05:12 PM
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muganda wrote:
muganda wrote:
Who wants to tackle why Operating Cash Flow appears to be so dismal? From 7.9bn to 2.4bn

oH, I see the answer to my question in last year's report:
Oil marketers had pre-paid KShs 4.2bn resulting from an import of distress OTS cargo of Jet A1 in Jun 2014.

So last year's number was the outlier - this year's is the norm.


Thanks for saving me the trouble.I just had a look at the results and those figures were the standout discrepancy.
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Kausha
#32 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2015 2:46:38 PM
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In addition, when a business operating cash flows resemble EBITDA then all is well. This appears to be the case.
Kausha
#33 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2015 3:45:45 PM
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The other notable thing to discern is the increase in operating leverage of the company (able to grow sales high off same fixed cost with at slightly lower fixed cost base). This is very important and one of the strengths of companies such as safcom and some banks. Essentially KK's gross margin expansion flowed down to the bottom line almost fully. The savings in interest expenses were gobbled up by taxation.

I still don't understand why KK cannot offset it's entire deferred tax asset in one go...
Pesa Nane
#34 Posted : Tuesday, August 11, 2015 4:03:01 PM
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Why was it deemed more important to load an interim div. on a "high value stock" (on account of the depressed share price) as opposed to lower debt/ financing?
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#35 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 3:54:43 AM
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Pesa Nane wrote:
Why was it deemed more important to load an interim div. on a "high value stock" (on account of the depressed share price) as opposed to lower debt/ financing?

The hassle of paying 10 cents/share doesn't seem worth it. I am not a fan of interim dividends. Keep it simple, pay a dividend once a year.
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VituVingiSana
#36 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 4:03:07 AM
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Kausha wrote:
The other notable thing to discern is the increase in operating leverage of the company (able to grow sales high off same fixed cost with at slightly lower fixed cost base). This is very important and one of the strengths of companies such as safcom and some banks. Essentially KK's gross margin expansion flowed down to the bottom line almost fully. The savings in interest expenses were gobbled up by taxation.

I still don't understand why KK cannot offset it's entire deferred tax asset in one go...

Different subsidiaries have their own Deferred Tax Assets and the application depends on the jurisdiction's tax laws. The largest level of DTAs are in Kenya and Tanzania.

Only taxable profits made in Kenya can be used to offset DTAs in Kenya. Ditto Tanzania and if the TZ subsidiary doesn't make profits, the DTAs are worthless.

DTAs are only considered assets if there is a significant likelihood of using them. In Kenya it is currently 5 years. If KK (Kenya) continues making large profits then the Kenyan portion of the DTAs will be fully utilized.

I believe Rwanda, Ethiopia & Burundi have no DTAs. I am not sure about Uganda.
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mlennyma
#37 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:33:27 AM
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Is it total to rally on behalf of Kk?
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VituVingiSana
#38 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 11:58:04 AM
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mlennyma wrote:
Is it total to rally on behalf of Kk?

Most of the same reasons should apply to Total as did to KK except for debt levels and FX positions. These exceptions depend on the firm rather than the market for fuel.
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mlennyma
#39 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 1:13:06 PM
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A sign of 8bob coming back is visible
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#40 Posted : Wednesday, August 12, 2015 2:09:17 PM
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mlennyma wrote:
A sign of 8bob coming back is visible

That is good news but my broker says there is a lot of demand at 8.50 waiting in the wings. We don't see the real demand/supply for many counters.

For those in this boat for the 'long' term... I am happier with lower prices. This is a play for for (post-election) 2018.
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