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Othelo wrote:With all these religions out there, which God is greatest and why? There's this story about worshippers of Oke- a mean kind of God to whom little children were offered as sacrifices, coming into contact with Christians. One day the king of the 'Okes' tells the Mzungu, 'And pray to your God so that we may have rains, our Oke seems not to be in the mood to help us'. Gods are abstract concepts humans use for their experiences and comparing them has often been tricky. In ancient Egypt it's said that if a new God came to being then the priest would have to prove it via magic like Moses did. If he won then he'd be Pharaoh but other Gods wouldn't be supplanted.
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Othelo wrote:With all these religions out there, which God is greatest and why? Exactly. Note: Worship of man,nature and money has always been a part of religion.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:Religion has it's uses! not for everyone but whether we accept it or not it's the one thing that keeps the poor from murdering the rich! Ask yourself - how did organized religion come to being? 10-11k years ago when humans started settling down... they started agriculture and building "society" as we know it there were issues! issues of Law! how do you ensure that people live together and don't murder each other? Organized religion sprung up from there... Reminds me of the old parable about 2-3 kids being given eggs and asked to break them when no one is looking! and one came back with an egg intact saying - God was always looking! the concept of a roving eye in the sky that is always looking and recording what you are doing is a great pacifier! it pacifies people murdering each other - coz no one is looking! it pacifies people raiding other people's houses and taking stuff - just because they can. Of course the same religion had to encompass ambition and thus created an us-verse-them dynamic... we are the chosen ones... those other guys.. heathens!!  we can.. kill them... take them for slaves... plunder their territory... we are right! they are wrong!! Why? because God told us! Organized religion is about society, true, but not just to keep the poor from attacking the rich. Right now this may seem to be the case, but if we go back into time we find it being used for other purposes like self definition and organization. Take the Bible story as an example.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/11/2012 Posts: 5,222
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Othelo wrote:With all these religions out there, which God is greatest and why? I doubt your name will be pronounced the same in your village, as it will be in the towns, abroad etc Do you have nicknames? And does it change who you are? When asked His name, He said 'I am whom I am'
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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Mimi niko Zion  A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:Religion has it's uses! not for everyone but whether we accept it or not it's the one thing that keeps the poor from murdering the rich! Ask yourself - how did organized religion come to being? 10-11k years ago when humans started settling down... they started agriculture and building "society" as we know it there were issues! issues of Law! how do you ensure that people live together and don't murder each other? Organized religion sprung up from there... Reminds me of the old parable about 2-3 kids being given eggs and asked to break them when no one is looking! and one came back with an egg intact saying - God was always looking! the concept of a roving eye in the sky that is always looking and recording what you are doing is a great pacifier! it pacifies people murdering each other - coz no one is looking! it pacifies people raiding other people's houses and taking stuff - just because they can. Of course the same religion had to encompass ambition and thus created an us-verse-them dynamic... we are the chosen ones... those other guys.. heathens!! we can.. kill them... take them for slaves... plunder their territory... we are right! they are wrong!! Why? because God told us! Organized religion is about society, true, but not just to keep the poor from attacking the rich. Right now this may seem to be the case, but if we go back into time we find it being used for other purposes like self definition and organization. Take the Bible story as an example. YES... it did not have one purpose! it's kinda the thing that organized humans... being able to answer all questions is great! it rests the part of the human mind that is always trying to get meaning and understand causality! if you ever live in an Islamic country you will really see the "organization" aspect of Islam at work... it defines everything... they really rally around it for their own good and poor you if you are on the other side of that equation. But humans will always try to understand everything kinda reminds me of a quote from a movie with a dubious premise... Lucy! Quote:Humans consider themselves unique so they've rooted there whole theory of existence on their uniqueness. One is their unit of measure, but it's not. All social systems we've put into place are a mere sketch. One plus one equals two. That's all we've learned, but one plus one has never equaled two. There are, in fact, no numbers and no letters. We've codified our existence to bring it down to human size to make it comprehensible. We've created a scale so that we can forget its unfathomable scale All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 4/4/2007 Posts: 1,162
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Much Know wrote:Mimi niko Zion while there, chant down Babylon 
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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masukuma wrote:tycho wrote:masukuma wrote:Religion has it's uses! not for everyone but whether we accept it or not it's the one thing that keeps the poor from murdering the rich! Ask yourself - how did organized religion come to being? 10-11k years ago when humans started settling down... they started agriculture and building "society" as we know it there were issues! issues of Law! how do you ensure that people live together and don't murder each other? Organized religion sprung up from there... Reminds me of the old parable about 2-3 kids being given eggs and asked to break them when no one is looking! and one came back with an egg intact saying - God was always looking! the concept of a roving eye in the sky that is always looking and recording what you are doing is a great pacifier! it pacifies people murdering each other - coz no one is looking! it pacifies people raiding other people's houses and taking stuff - just because they can. Of course the same religion had to encompass ambition and thus created an us-verse-them dynamic... we are the chosen ones... those other guys.. heathens!! we can.. kill them... take them for slaves... plunder their territory... we are right! they are wrong!! Why? because God told us! Organized religion is about society, true, but not just to keep the poor from attacking the rich. Right now this may seem to be the case, but if we go back into time we find it being used for other purposes like self definition and organization. Take the Bible story as an example. YES... it did not have one purpose! it's kinda the thing that organized humans... being able to answer all questions is great! it rests the part of the human mind that is always trying to get meaning and understand causality! if you ever live in an Islamic country you will really see the "organization" aspect of Islam at work... it defines everything... they really rally around it for their own good and poor you if you are on the other side of that equation. But humans will always try to understand everything kinda reminds me of a quote from a movie with a dubious premise... Lucy! Quote:Humans consider themselves unique so they've rooted there whole theory of existence on their uniqueness. One is their unit of measure, but it's not. All social systems we've put into place are a mere sketch. One plus one equals two. That's all we've learned, but one plus one has never equaled two. There are, in fact, no numbers and no letters. We've codified our existence to bring it down to human size to make it comprehensible. We've created a scale so that we can forget its unfathomable scale I agree with you here.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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majimaji wrote:Much Know wrote:Mimi niko Zion while there, chant down Babylon Down with this Babylonian system ...Peace and Love..... A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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Much Know wrote:majimaji wrote:Much Know wrote:Mimi niko Zion while there, chant down Babylon Down with this Babylonian system ...Peace and Love..... http://www.theguardian.c...-establish-own-time-zone
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Much Know wrote:majimaji wrote:Much Know wrote:Mimi niko Zion while there, chant down Babylon Down with this Babylonian system ...Peace and Love..... Old religions repackaged
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Rank: Elder Joined: 12/6/2008 Posts: 3,548
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Why please don't argue about it, for it is written...so shall it be done  A New Kenya
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Rank: Elder Joined: 10/4/2006 Posts: 13,821 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:Much Know wrote:majimaji wrote:Much Know wrote:Mimi niko Zion while there, chant down Babylon Down with this Babylonian system ...Peace and Love..... Old religions repackaged Yes I! All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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Much Know wrote:Why please don't argue about it, for it is written...so shall it be done Putting the 'chest thumping' into context.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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This reminds me of a school of thought that is easy to forget - Pragmatism.
Someone help me, what problem(s) being faced now in Kenya can be best solved by atheism or theism, and how?
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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tycho wrote:This reminds me of a school of thought that is easy to forget - Pragmatism.
Someone help me, what problem(s) being faced now in Kenya can be best solved by atheism or theism, and how? Define problem.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:This reminds me of a school of thought that is easy to forget - Pragmatism.
Someone help me, what problem(s) being faced now in Kenya can be best solved by atheism or theism, and how? Define problem. I'll define 'problem' as a state of being or affairs that are unpleasant or unwanted, and that needs some kind of action to arrive at a wanted or pleasant state.
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Rank: Member Joined: 6/4/2015 Posts: 604
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tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:This reminds me of a school of thought that is easy to forget - Pragmatism.
Someone help me, what problem(s) being faced now in Kenya can be best solved by atheism or theism, and how? Define problem. I'll define 'problem' as a state of being or affairs that are unpleasant or unwanted, and that needs some kind of action to arrive at a wanted or pleasant state. By defining the unpleasant or unwanted state of being or affairs and where applicable,how to arrive at the wanted or pleasant state.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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¿ wrote:tycho wrote:¿ wrote:tycho wrote:This reminds me of a school of thought that is easy to forget - Pragmatism.
Someone help me, what problem(s) being faced now in Kenya can be best solved by atheism or theism, and how? Define problem. I'll define 'problem' as a state of being or affairs that are unpleasant or unwanted, and that needs some kind of action to arrive at a wanted or pleasant state. By defining the unpleasant or unwanted state of being or affairs and where applicable,how to arrive at the wanted or pleasant state. ?? So there are no problems defined as yet?
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