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Rank: Elder Joined: 11/7/2007 Posts: 2,182
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guru267 wrote:quicksand wrote:guru267 wrote:Bigchick wrote:Not sure anything has changed.It still remains "it was not an Al Shabaab attack" but an attack from within This is the thinking that has left more than 90 dead and no arrests... Shabaab is building bases in Kenya and heads are buried in the sand with CORD fantasies!  The narrative that "it is not al Shabaab" fits the political motives of those in government. Your own motive from many posts appears to be that "Kenyans should fear al Shabaab, and hence withdraw from Somalia". You are keen for us to see Shabaab as scoring victories, knocking over enemies. Jubilee ignores the fact that Shabaab could be involved, you ignore the fact that locals could be involved. Both you and the politicians are hostage to your agendas, hence, a disservice to truth. In my opinion, the truth is a mix of both dissenting, propagandist views. Shabaab and locals cooperating. And who made you believe locals cannot join Al Shabaab?? Just because locals are carrying out attacks doesn't mean they are not under FULL command of Shabaab! People have been coming from as far as Rwanda to become full members of Shabaab! guru; fine let's assume they come from us zambia sudan etc to join, what's your point? LOVE WHAT YOU DO, DO WHAT YOU LOVE.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 4/22/2010 Posts: 11,522 Location: Nairobi
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harrydre wrote:This is ex-mungiki reincarnated under the command of.....they are definitely on hire why should shabaab be selective on whom they murder? Under Raila I guess... possunt quia posse videntur
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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kyt wrote:mkenyan wrote:article says he's al shabaab. meaning he's part of their terror cell. now why assume he is hired? last i checked al shabaab acted on their faith and belief. you checked wrong sir, alshabaab are paid to fight, nothing about faith. those buggers are paid and given illusionary 71 virgins crap.  We seem forget the most straightforward nature of human beings. Humanity lives to satisfy it's basic needs eg shelter, food & clothing, in short - resources. When mungiki was terrorising Kenyans they did so to acquire resources. The Taliban/boko haram (insert militant group here) have been fighting for power ---> resources. Its all about the money and thus any militant group can be hired at the right price. The leaders of such groups brainwash their followers with the pretext of fighting for an ideology, a cause.
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Kratos wrote:kyt wrote:mkenyan wrote:article says he's al shabaab. meaning he's part of their terror cell. now why assume he is hired? last i checked al shabaab acted on their faith and belief. you checked wrong sir, alshabaab are paid to fight, nothing about faith. those buggers are paid and given illusionary 71 virgins crap. We seem forget the most straightforward nature of human beings. Humanity lives to satisfy it's basic needs eg shelter, food & clothing, in short - resources. When mungiki was terrorising Kenyans they did so to acquire resources. The Taliban/boko haram (insert militant group here) have been fighting for power ---> resources. Its all about the money and thus any militant group can be hired at the right price. The leaders of such groups brainwash their followers with the pretext of fighting for an ideology, a cause. Add Matakwei and his gang in Mt. Elgon. Who is buying them guns who is financing them internally. "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 11/17/2009 Posts: 1,049
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I think going forward we need a definition of Al shabaab and who is to be considered its member/figher. That the attacks in Lamu incorporate core Alshabab issues as well as local people's grievances is not in question. What is perplexing is that, though all indications are that Al shabaab is the main entity perpetuating the terror, certain fellows would rather point us in the way of the opposition! Talk of playing politics in the face of people's agony! Just as absolute power corrupts leaders, so does absolute fanaticism blind the people from logic
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Rank: Veteran Joined: 9/19/2011 Posts: 1,694
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Nandwa wrote:
I think going forward we need a definition of Al shabaab and who is to be considered its member/figher.
That the attacks in Lamu incorporate core Alshabab issues as well as local people's grievances is not in question.
What is perplexing is that, though all indications are that Al shabaab is the main entity perpetuating the terror, certain fellows would rather point us in the way of the opposition!
Talk of playing politics in the face of people's agony!
I for one may not be a proponent of that angle but why would I be too quick to dismiss it? Why would you?
“People will believe a big lie sooner than a little one, and if you repeat it frequently enough, people will sooner or later believe it.” ― Walter C. Langer
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Rank: Elder Joined: 2/26/2012 Posts: 15,980
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Nandwa wrote:
I think going forward we need a definition of Al shabaab and who is to be considered its member/figher.
That the attacks in Lamu incorporate core Alshabab issues as well as local people's grievances is not in question.
What is perplexing is that, though all indications are that Al shabaab is the main entity perpetuating the terror, certain fellows would rather point us in the way of the opposition!
Talk of playing politics in the face of people's agony!
When Alshabab perpetrates violence, they don't even try to cover up their tracks. This is not the case here. All terrorists/criminals have a signature. Stop relying on the media read the last part. Those arrested with maps are actually people from Kilifi "There are only two emotions in the market, hope & fear. The problem is you hope when you should fear & fear when you should hope: - Jesse Livermore
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Rank: Elder Joined: 8/4/2008 Posts: 2,849 Location: Rupi
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Zanze wrote:How does the government expect people to use kumi kumi to report suspicious neighbors while they blatantly ignore reports of suspicious activity and even set suspects free? How incompetent/overwhelmed can they be. I hope by now Uhuru has realized this presidency thing is too big a job for him and given up hope of a second term. Clearly Uhunye is overwhelmed. The presidency cost him billions and billions and then this? I hope he start vacating statehouse in 2016. In the same breath, I miss Kibaki. I remember he sent KDF to Mt Elgon, we complained about it, he kept them there and they did a thorough job. In conclusion, the UK presidency is really disappointing. Lord, thank you!
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/1/2011 Posts: 8,804 Location: Nairobi
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murchr wrote:Kratos wrote:kyt wrote:mkenyan wrote:article says he's al shabaab. meaning he's part of their terror cell. now why assume he is hired? last i checked al shabaab acted on their faith and belief. you checked wrong sir, alshabaab are paid to fight, nothing about faith. those buggers are paid and given illusionary 71 virgins crap. We seem forget the most straightforward nature of human beings. Humanity lives to satisfy it's basic needs eg shelter, food & clothing, in short - resources. When mungiki was terrorising Kenyans they did so to acquire resources. The Taliban/boko haram (insert militant group here) have been fighting for power ---> resources. Its all about the money and thus any militant group can be hired at the right price. The leaders of such groups brainwash their followers with the pretext of fighting for an ideology, a cause. Add Matakwei and his gang in Mt. Elgon. Who is buying them guns who is financing them internally. Finance is neither internal nor external. @Nandwa, most politics and 'development' is driven by fear and suffering. Who's al Shabaab? May be we should first say what it is.
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Rank: Elder Joined: 7/10/2008 Posts: 9,131 Location: Kanjo
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Euge wrote:Zanze wrote:How does the government expect people to use kumi kumi to report suspicious neighbors while they blatantly ignore reports of suspicious activity and even set suspects free? How incompetent/overwhelmed can they be. I hope by now Uhuru has realized this presidency thing is too big a job for him and given up hope of a second term. Clearly Uhunye is overwhelmed. The presidency cost him billions and billions and then this? I hope he start vacating statehouse in 2016. In the same breath, I miss Kibaki. I remember he sent KDF to Mt Elgon, we complained about it, he kept them there and they did a thorough job. In conclusion, the UK presidency is really disappointing. Not really. TO use the army, a certain line has to be crossed. You really don't wish for the army to be sent there..it will be a whole different story. i.am.back!!!!
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