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Best Money Market fund in Kenya
peterkngeno
#61 Posted : Monday, December 29, 2014 11:48:24 AM
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Try UAP Investments...
mkonomtupu
#62 Posted : Monday, December 29, 2014 2:08:42 PM
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ecstacy wrote:
XSK wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
mchambuzi wrote:
mkonomtupu wrote:
ecstacy wrote:
If you are not in a hurry, you are better off buying NSE blue chips to the end of time..


why buy shares with dividend yields of 1-5% when you can get 8-10% on the money market without risking your capital


8-10%? Thats low, inflation is at 7.15% although in actual sense its usually much higher. That means you are making 2-3% gain. In shares you can make more from capital gains not just the dividends. I would opt for a portfolio of blue chip companies if I was risk averse


To make it easier, assume you had been buying SCOM, BAT and KCB shares over the past three years.

Look at the share price appreciation and dividend yield and that money market fund is exposed as a joke.


At that point the dividend yield was good 7-10% but right now the same stocks are over-valued e.g SCOM has p/e of 36(overvalued highest should be 18). That means you to wait 36 years. It's unlikely that company earnings will match up with those prices any time soon. For the record i bought my shares at rock bottom prices KCB 21, NIC 24, kengen 8.3 but I have taken capital gains and re-invested in money market. It depends on timing


@Mkonomtupu

Thanks for that education on the money market fund. Its basically a place to keep/park your money as you wait for an opportunity to strike! Meanwhile the money will not be losing value.


I assume I am talking to Wazua veterans here.

And where do we imagine these fund managers take your money? HAHA

Let us put this in perspective. After waiting 12 solid months, the fund promises me 8-10% in a country with 7% inflation at best and we are happy?

To put this to rest.

Buy KQ today 13.50, sell on 2015 FY announcement.

Buy NBK today 31.75, sell by March 2015.

Buy HFCK today 33.75, sell March 2015.

NB: Any negative NSE reaction on sign of fed tapering and sell the above before Sept 2014 for a lower re-entry.

We shall compare notes at this time next year OR before Sept 2014.

And just to hammer the point closer home, buy SCOM TODAY at 11.70/= and sell by this 2014 full year results in June therabouts. Between now and then, price appreciation estimate is 13.50, that is 15% up from TODAYs 'over valued' price for this GROWTH stock!! HAHA



I decided to check out your calculations over this lazy period
Assuming I had put in a million equally into your four stocks i.e. 250,000
KQ=250,000/13.5=18518*8.5=157,407
NBK=250,000/31.75=7874*24.5=190944
HF=250,000/33.75=7407*45=333333
Safcom=250,000/11.7=21367*14.05=300,213
Total =981,899

Money market=1,000,000*0.093(effective annual yield)=93000
Total=1,093,000
mkonomtupu
#63 Posted : Monday, December 29, 2014 2:15:47 PM
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Aguytrying wrote:
Hi debt gurus. I've seen CiC have a fixed income fund. The returns are higher than the Money market fund.

My question. What makes the fixed income more risky and what is its worst case scenario


Fixed income you are talking of more bonds and the inverse relation between interest and bond price. Its risky if there is no liquidity for the bonds and you need your cash asap
Aguytrying
#64 Posted : Monday, December 29, 2014 2:57:31 PM
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mkonomtupu wrote:
Aguytrying wrote:
Hi debt gurus. I've seen CiC have a fixed income fund. The returns are higher than the Money market fund.

My question. What makes the fixed income more risky and what is its worst case scenario


Fixed income you are talking of more bonds and the inverse relation between interest and bond price. Its risky if there is no liquidity for the bonds and you need your cash asap


thanks. I read about junk bonds. I guess its hard to tell which bonds the fund is invested in as well.

overall I'm thinking a mix of the two would be the best way to go, with more weight on the money market than the fixed income.

The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Aguytrying
#65 Posted : Monday, December 29, 2014 7:02:52 PM
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@mkonomtupu. ref post # 62.

nice expose on the risk with lack of diversification. I'm sure the stock investor was confident of a 30% - 50% gain in a bull market.

10% percent for bonds looks smallbut the truth is bonds outperform stocks more often than most investors would like to admit.
The investor's chief problem - and even his worst enemy - is likely to be himself
Kausha
#66 Posted : Tuesday, December 30, 2014 7:36:18 PM
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Speculz wrote:
As we close the year 2014, any reviews on the various money market funds ? both good and bad ...

Money market funds are your equivalent of fixed, call and sacco savings. Its all about the net effective annual yield. Everything else is garnish.
S.Mutaga III
#67 Posted : Saturday, January 03, 2015 10:55:18 PM
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2014 was a good year for stocks. However, every year is unique and thus, with the P/E's of some blue chips such as Safaricom at above 30, I think this year the money market and bonds will outperform stocks in general. As such, I think the money market is the way to go for retail investors such as me.
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
Wondergirl
#68 Posted : Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:31:52 AM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
2014 was a good year for stocks. However, every year is unique and thus, with the P/E's of some blue chips such as Safaricom at above 30, I think this year the money market and bonds will outperform stocks in general. As such, I think the money market is the way to go for retail investors such as me.

Happy new year bro. Which money market provider would you recommend. Old mutual? No? .. Have a fruitful 2015
S.Mutaga III
#69 Posted : Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:39:10 AM
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Wondergirl wrote:
S.Mutaga III wrote:
2014 was a good year for stocks. However, every year is unique and thus, with the P/E's of some blue chips such as Safaricom at above 30, I think this year the money market and bonds will outperform stocks in general. As such, I think the money market is the way to go for retail investors such as me.

Happy new year bro. Which money market provider would you recommend. Old mutual? No? .. Have a fruitful 2015

I am thinking of putting my cash in Zimele for a guaranteed 9% p.a paid monthly.
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
Wondergirl
#70 Posted : Sunday, January 04, 2015 11:45:32 AM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
Wondergirl wrote:
S.Mutaga III wrote:
2014 was a good year for stocks. However, every year is unique and thus, with the P/E's of some blue chips such as Safaricom at above 30, I think this year the money market and bonds will outperform stocks in general. As such, I think the money market is the way to go for retail investors such as me.

Happy new year bro. Which money market provider would you recommend. Old mutual? No? .. Have a fruitful 2015

I am thinking of putting my cash in Zimele for a guaranteed 9% p.a paid monthly.

I will follow you there, your broker shall be my broker. Thanks
mlennyma
#71 Posted : Sunday, January 04, 2015 2:27:30 PM
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What happened to faulu 12% per annum??and is this zimele rate applicable to any amount deposited?
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
Mainat
#72 Posted : Sunday, January 04, 2015 3:07:42 PM
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Faulu are still doing the product although the 12% is now for those with Ksh1m fixed for 12 months i.e. no access. FYI, if you have a Ksh1m and want regular access, Britam probably has a product just for you.
PS: I don't work or have time for Britam ways, but the product is good
Sehemu ndio nyumba
TheGeek
#73 Posted : Sunday, January 04, 2015 9:29:18 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
2014 was a good year for stocks. However, every year is unique and thus, with the P/E's of some blue chips such as Safaricom at above 30, I think this year the money market and bonds will outperform stocks in general. As such, I think the money market is the way to go for retail investors such as me.


You may want to checkout the money market yields on business daily or daily nation.
There are several with higher gross return than 9%.
key difference in the funds are
1. how much the management fee is 2.how the interest is compounded. I.e monthly quarterly etc.
3. GOK Tbills and bonds are also great trades. and are especially easy to convert incase of a rainy day.
In the world of securities, courage and patience become the supreme virtues after adequate knowledge and a tested judgment are at hand.
mlennyma
#74 Posted : Monday, January 05, 2015 2:38:07 PM
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NAIROBI, Jan 2 (Reuters) - Kenya's shilling was seen
weakening, with traders saying on Friday that a new capital
gains tax introduced this year could trim hard currency inflows
and weaken the local currency. Stocks were stable.
At close of trade at 1300 GMT, commercial banks quoted the
shilling at 90.75/85 to the dollar, compared with Wednesday's
close of 90.70/80. Kenyan markets were closed on New Year's Day.
President Uhuru Kenyatta signed into law a 5 percent capital
gains tax on Sept. 15 that took effect on Jan. 1, which
investors say could affect investment in property, equities and
the country's nascent oil and mining sectors.
Ian Kahangara, a trader at National Bank of Kenya, said the
new tax was expected to affect dollar inflows from foreign
investors, thus leading to a weaker shilling.
A trader at another commercial bank also said the capital
gains tax would affect the inflows.
"I am really hoping they don't implement it. This sort of
thing will definitely have an effect on foreign investor
participation in our markets," the trader said.
The central bank mopped up 8.65 billion shillings ($95.32
million) in excess liquidity. Mopping up excess liquidity makes
it relatively costlier to hold long dollar positions, which
partly supports the shilling.
Julius Kiriinya, a trader at African Banking Corporation,
said the mop-up by the central bank did not affect the shilling.
The shilling weakened against the dollar last year, in part
because of dollar demand from importers and flagging tourism - a
key source of hard currency east Africa's biggest economy -
after a series of Islamist attacks in the country.
On the Nairobi Securities Exchange, the main NSE-20 Share
Index closed up 4.78 points, or 0.09 percent, at
5,117.43 points.
On the secondary market, government bonds worth 633 million
shillings were traded, compared with 1.2 billion shillings
"Don't let the fear of losing be greater than the excitement of winning."
MoneyMonger
#75 Posted : Monday, January 05, 2015 4:40:23 PM
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S.Mutaga III wrote:
Wondergirl wrote:
S.Mutaga III wrote:
2014 was a good year for stocks. However, every year is unique and thus, with the P/E's of some blue chips such as Safaricom at above 30, I think this year the money market and bonds will outperform stocks in general. As such, I think the money market is the way to go for retail investors such as me.

Happy new year bro. Which money market provider would you recommend. Old mutual? No? .. Have a fruitful 2015

I am thinking of putting my cash in Zimele for a guaranteed 9% p.a paid monthly.



Just cheking the Zimele website and it seems they dont have any sister companies behind thier back. Not that am too worried about that, but it gives me more confidence in case there is any. Any information on this?. Nonetheless, thier offer is worth considering.
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S.Mutaga III
#76 Posted : Saturday, January 31, 2015 3:50:09 PM
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MoneyMonger wrote:
S.Mutaga III wrote:
Wondergirl wrote:
S.Mutaga III wrote:
2014 was a good year for stocks. However, every year is unique and thus, with the P/E's of some blue chips such as Safaricom at above 30, I think this year the money market and bonds will outperform stocks in general. As such, I think the money market is the way to go for retail investors such as me.

Happy new year bro. Which money market provider would you recommend. Old mutual? No? .. Have a fruitful 2015

I am thinking of putting my cash in Zimele for a guaranteed 9% p.a paid monthly.



Just cheking the Zimele website and it seems they dont have any sister companies behind thier back. Not that am too worried about that, but it gives me more confidence in case there is any. Any information on this?. Nonetheless, thier offer is worth considering.

I opened an account with Zimele yesterday, but I am having second thoughts about unit trusts...I still think there are better ways to invest money that wait for 9% for a whole year...certainly not worth the hustle...It may take a while or forever before depositing any amount with them apart from the Ksh 250 that I paid to activate the account.
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
S.Mutaga III
#77 Posted : Saturday, January 31, 2015 4:08:30 PM
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After a careful analysis, its never worth the hustle to invest in a unit trust. The return on investment is just too little to warrant the hustle. You invest and wait for 12 months to get just 10% return on investment. You are better off putting the money in your bank account (not fixed deposit) for the following reasons:
1) The amount may improve your credit rating with the bank in case you need loans in future.
2) There are business opportunities that arise in the course of the year that require urgent cash. Such business opportunities often have great returns and require the cash in matters of hours or at most 48 hours. It takes at least 4 business days to liquidate the money market fund. For instance, you may spot a piece of land that is being disposed by a bank at a throw away price etc.
3) Some of these money market funds champion for lipa na mpesa which eats into the anticipated profits. After all transaction costs, the real return is even much lower than 9%.
4) Put your money where your mouth is. I think the person who benefits from Unit Trusts such as Zimele are the owners because they get loans at a fixed 9% and invest them for better returns...9% loans per year is a very cheap loan from their point of view.
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
Chaka
#78 Posted : Saturday, January 31, 2015 4:25:30 PM
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@S.Mutaga III,
I don't get you..you are saying that Zimele will lock your investment for one year at 9%?If you have 1 metre,go to Britam(CMS investment)..This last week the return for a 3 month period was at 13%..The return varies weekly..
S.Mutaga III
#79 Posted : Saturday, January 31, 2015 5:47:12 PM
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Chaka wrote:
@S.Mutaga III,
I don't get you..you are saying that Zimele will lock your investment for one year at 9%?If you have 1 metre,go to Britam(CMS investment)..This last week the return for a 3 month period was at 13%..The return varies weekly..

Kindly explain about that Britam product. What are the risks? How do they invest your money? Is that 11% interest net of everything and payable after three months??Explain about the product in detail because their website does not seem to shed any light on it
A successful man is not he who gets the best, it is he who makes the best from what he gets.
Chaka
#80 Posted : Sunday, February 01, 2015 10:17:10 AM
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I suggest you go to any of their branches and enquire..the interest rate is gross i,e before WHT..
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