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Serve And Suffer
jaggernaut
#31 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 10:10:08 AM
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masukuma wrote:
Let me put stuff in perspective 35k is almost $5,000 a year. Kenya's GDP per capita is $800. What do teachers earn? What do army servicemen earn? My mum and dad both worked for gava and got the handshake their combined salary was less than 20k. I am not justifying low pay but the middle class here and Okari don't seem to realize something i realized when I was in high school - when you are in careers that anyone can do (lot's of people doing the same thing) you end up with unions to negotiate your salary, salary increments are always fought for. however when you are fewer salaries are generally higher and you can get increments easily. I pictured life as a triangle or a pyramid. the fewer you are the more on top you get so I strove to do the difficult things. right now if i don't like what you are paying me...i negotiate if i cannot still get that one then I get someone else who pays me better. ask @ecstacy we have worked together. its a fact of kenyan life.... we have too small a GDP!! just ask around what real kenyans earn!! utangundua a 35k jobo is something that people would kill for!!


True. There was THIS thread on entry level pay for banks and figures of 25-35k were being quoted, 20-40k for lawyers on pupilage...
Mukiri
#32 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 10:39:05 AM
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Things went south the day Kenya 'accepted' the MPigs salary increase in the previous Government. Now everyone wants to earn 500k. Maybe the way to correct this is to take the MPigs(including senators and governors) back to sub 100k.

Proverbs 19:21
Muheani
#33 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 10:54:03 AM
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Bottomline. Its not the pay that is Bad...benchmarked.

May be relook at the Risk Allowances.

But yap, we could do with Better housing. Otherwise when you daily escort the who is who to their princely houses, and you go lay down in some kind of shack.... Utaota mbaya!!
Pedes
#34 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 11:03:49 AM
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Muheani wrote:
Bottomline. Its not the pay that is Bad...benchmarked.

May be relook at the Risk Allowances.

But yap, we could do with Better housing. Otherwise when you daily escort the who is who to their princely houses, and you go lay down in some kind of shack.... Utaota mbaya!!



How much does it cost to stop a bullet using your head/chest/....?
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masukuma
#35 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 11:08:01 AM
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Mukiri wrote:
Things went south the day Kenya 'accepted' the MPigs salary increase in the previous Government. Now everyone wants to earn 500k. Maybe the way to correct this is to take the MPigs(including senators and governors) back to sub 100k.

All Mushrooms are edible! Some Mushroom are only edible ONCE!
tycho
#36 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 11:36:42 AM
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ecstacy wrote:
tycho wrote:
Since it's better to be feared than loved, the prince must ensure that his dogs don't just bark, but also bite.

And how does one breed fierce dogs? By pampering them?

Again raising police wages, drives prices up, and soon relative prices 'flatten up' leaving us with more demand for pay hikes.

No. It's not about wages. It's about politics.


I honestly do not think you have seen the conditions we are talking about.





I haven't been watching TV. But it's not lost on me that this is a PR stunt.

Otherwise, let me ask you @ecstasy, security is top priority for the government, right?

Then it follows that the government must put in place systems that secure what is secured. The force must be structured.

And it's structure is determined by the cause of insecurity. And how does insecurity arise in our country? By extolling the spirit of individualism, and having an uneven distribution of power and wealth; the forces of insecurity are great in number, generally poor, and relatively uneducated. Envy, sexual repression, 'scarcity of money, and resources' to give leverage to the individual with knowledge and power, will only demand a force that is austere, and anger must be high.

Now in the days of 'police reform' we must remember that reforms mean systemic shifts. And if we want a high quality security system, then the forces of insecurity must be transformed to other forms of energy that conduce mutualism.

Then everyone will be able to live well. But as for now, police are living at the battle front where conditions are harsh.



jaggernaut
#37 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 11:55:53 AM
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The report should have been balanced and also shown the steps govt is taking to address the housing problem. I have seen nice flats built recently at Central police station, Kabete police, Kamukunji etc. I understand they want to put up 20,000 houses all over the country. The govt also leased over 1,000 vehicles for the police recently.
InnovateGuy
#38 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 12:00:47 PM
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jaggernaut wrote:
The report should have been balanced and also shown the steps govt is taking to address the housing problem. I have seen nice flats built recently at Central police station, Kabete police, Kamukunji etc. I understand they want to put up 20,000 houses all over the country. The govt also leased over 1,000 vehicles for the police recently.


I would like to add.... let's do the 'police surgery', get out the bad cops, then we can talk about their welfare.
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ecstacy
#39 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 12:11:40 PM
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@tycho and those who haven't seen the feature, here it is. Watch then we deliberate after - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq5G7hWIZF0
ecstacy
#40 Posted : Monday, December 02, 2013 12:38:04 PM
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Someone is faulting the piece. I agree with the part on updates on the police sector reforms. It would have been fair to update on improvements to the same as these are part of ongoing GoK measures to try alleviate the issues being discussed.

"SERVE AND SUFFER"

It is very unfortunate that viewers were all glued to watch "SERVE and SUFFER" on NTV an investigative feature that was aired by KissTV sometimes last year.

The clip was funded by a certain NGO and it is a re-run.

Dennis Okari did a shoddy research as he could have told the viewers about the increase of resultant allowances, housing, 1200 new vehicles,medical insurance cover, salary increment etc.

Some of officers who were shown on the clip they no longer work in those stations. Some have been transferred, promoted etc.

He didn't even tell us that on late evening of 4 November 2013, the house of human rights defender on the clip Mr. Philip Ochieng Onguje who was the founder and co-ordinator of Usalama Reforms Forum, caught fire under unclear circumstances, leading to his death and the hospitalisation of his wife while his three children escaped the fire unhurt.

He could have edited the clip to read " late Philip Ochieng" who used to work with a human rights organisation that works on security issues and campaigns for substantial police reforms in Kenya.

I question the motive of this "Serve And Suffer" investigative feature just when IG Kimaiyo & the government are working towards police reforms!

JOURNALISM......
Nation Media Group has a problem with EDITORIAL"
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